ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #17

CanadianWells said:

I wonder why. Do we know who the other was made by? That's the first I've heard of it, though I've only just joined WS lately and jumped on this case in the last week. It's easy to miss things when you're so late to the party and catching up! Thanks!
(Eta: I just realized how tacky "late to the party" sounded. I meant it like search party. I swear I'm not a jerk)

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SweetT said:

So he drove up the road by the resevoir to call 911 because he didnt think Jessica would get a signal and wanted to make sure that the call went through? And then when he called she was already on the line with 911 right? I guess I am just confirming that was the sequence of events right?

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EllieBee said:

Please don't apologize. I have seen that term used many times. As bad as it may sound to someone "driving by", black humor and a little bit of flippancy is sometimes needed to keep ones heart from breaking while discussing these awful cases.

I joined in the spring and the first case I really followed was Noah Thomas and if it weren't for the ladies (and gents) who posted there tossing in the occasional funny or even OT (sorry mods :blush post, it would have been unbearably sad.

But then I come from a family where we celebrate lives and laugh until we cry at funerals. IMO, ya just gotta. :grouphug:

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CanadianWells said:

I've searched and searched, so forgive me if I'm missing this. I'm another who agrees the whole dad speeding away to call 911 is odd, and the idea that there was a sighting of dirty baby Deorr and dad later throws me every time too. Has his 911 call ever been released? I've listened to hers, but I've never found his. I'm interested in hearing it, and also in why it wasn't released (assuming it wasn't).

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(d) Exceptions. There is no privilege under this rule:

(1) Child related communications. In a criminal or civil action or proceeding as to a communication relevant to an issue concerning the physical, mental or emotional condition of or injury to a child, or concerning the welfare of a child including, but not limited to the abuse, abandonment or neglect of a child.

(2) Criminal action. In a criminal action or proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime against the person or property of (A) the other spouse, (B) a person residing in the household of either spouse, or (C) a third person committed in the course of committing a crime against the other spouse or a person residing in the household of either spouse.

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CanadianWells said:

Just for my own little theory here, was anything else ever said about that sighting at the store later that was mentioned in the first interview? As in, did they ever mention looking into it? I've seen nothing on that aside from what little was said in that interview.

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Inthedetails said:

Does anyone have a timeline - or could make a timeline - with the facts as we know them? I would volunteer to make one, but my knowledge of the case is flimsy having been away for a long stretch.

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bessie said:

This is what Klein had to say regarding the alleged 6:00 P.M. sighting:

RHF Why was the dirty crying child that was supposedly seen at 6:00pm not investigated? If Deorr jr. Was abducted per his parents wouldn't it be important to identify that child's identity?
Like · Reply · 5 · January 11 at 2:08pm


Klein Investigations and Consulting I have no idea regarding this. Staff states that this was a rumor and not fact. If you have a specific witness that saw this please send OL.
Like · Reply · 4 · January 11 at 2:18pm

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/937132659702652

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Arnie M said:

If I needed to make an emergency 911 call from a remote campsite I would move around until I could get a good cell phone signal . And that is exactly what the father did

If my wife also had a cell phone and made a 911 call it makes sense she would try it right in the area where her child had wandered off. And she did , and she got through to 911 , but if you listen closely her call loses signal several times because of the poor location. The father did the right thing.

If I was the father making the 911 call up on higher ground I would also stay on the phone trying to guide searchers to the area , it would make sense to do that , it was a remote area.

And finally , if there was a cover-up orchestrated by the parents I doubt they would make separate 911 calls ... it would be too risky ... they would first have to spend hours rehearsing what to say.

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Bootsctr said:

Were there other campers in the area? Why did the mom think abduction? I know someone asked this earlier, but just wanted to verify the only campers were DK, JM, DKjr, Grandpa, and IR.

I get Grandpa and IR going camping and fishing, but for DK, JM and DKjr to tag along doesn't really make sense to me. When we camped and fished, we also went with another couple who had a kid like we did. It just seems like an odd sort to be camping bedfellows to me!

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Rayemonde said:

Oh, that's interesting... So as far as we know, no one actually saw this filthy, bawling boy? That sent up a huge red flag for me, as soon as Bowerman said he thought the clerk wasn't sure she had seen DeOrr at the store...

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Jamaica Me Crazy said:

I'm wondering if he was referring to Vilt since we were told it was an extended family member that hired Klein.

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EllieBee said:

Please don't apologize. I have seen that term used many times. As bad as it may sound to someone "driving by", black humor and a little bit of flippancy is sometimes needed to keep ones heart from breaking while discussing these awful cases.

I joined in the spring and the first case I really followed was Noah Thomas and if it weren't for the ladies (and gents) who posted there tossing in the occasional funny or even OT (sorry mods :blush post, it would have been unbearably sad.

But then I come from a family where we celebrate lives and laugh until we cry at funerals. IMO, ya just gotta. :grouphug:

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Bootsctr said:

Were there other campers in the area? Why did the mom think abduction? I know someone asked this earlier, but just wanted to verify the only campers were DK, JM, DKjr, Grandpa, and IR.

I get Grandpa and IR going camping and fishing, but for DK, JM and DKjr to tag along doesn't really make sense to me. When we camped and fished, we also went with another couple who had a kid like we did. It just seems like an odd sort to be camping bedfellows to me!

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Rayemonde said:

We learned only relatively recently that an older couple was camping in a separate campsite further up the mountain (about half a mile away iirc), but they had been cleared by LE. Bowerman talked about this in his interview with Tricia.

I believe that ggp's health had not been good, and Jessica was acting as a sort of carer for him, and so they went along to keep an eye on him...

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Rayemonde said:

We learned only relatively recently that an older couple was camping in a separate campsite further up the mountain (about half a mile away iirc), but they had been cleared by LE. Bowerman talked about this in his interview with Tricia.

I believe that ggp's health had not been good, and Jessica was acting as a sort of carer for him, and so they went along to keep an eye on him...

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CanadianWells said:

I cant comment on orchestrating a coverup. I'm no expert on that, and I won't pretend to be. I think a coverup of this magnitude would be difficult, and I'm not sure they're the people, nor in the situation to have pulled it off. I'm not sure if you know something or have more experience than I do in this, but I'm not going to take your word on separate 911 calls as law here. I don't really have an opinion on it myself.

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CoverMeCagney said:

So where did that rumour come from? 6pm Friday wasn't it? I know DK mentioned it in the first filmed interview, so where had he heard it?

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Rayemonde said:

Well, IMO it isn't exactly the crime of the century and they have done a poor job of covering it up. DeOrr has not been found just because there are just so many places they could have put him, and they have never managed to get their stories or timeline straight. Put the body somewhere and then just say he disappeared. It didn't take much planning IMO.

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Rayemonde said:

I think they made it up... I'm not sure what they thought it would accomplish, though. It never made any sense to me.

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