Egypt Air flight 804 missing, 19 May 2016

Everything published about this matter is completely false, and [are] mere assumptions that did not come from the Forensics Authority," state news agency MENA quoted forensics head Hesham Abdelhamid as saying.

Click to expand...

Earlier on Tuesday, an official who was said to have personally examined the remains at a Cairo morgue told AP on condition of anonymity that "the logical explanation is that it was an explosion."

The source went on to state that the experts had been given around 80 small body parts to investigate.

"There isn't even a whole body part, like an arm or a head,” the official said.

"The size of the remains points towards an explosion, the biggest part was the size of a palm. Some of the remains started arriving on Sunday in about 23 bags," a forensics official told Reuters.

Click to expand...

CARIIS said:

Then there is this:

he pilot of EgyptAir Flight 804 spoke to air traffic control for “several minutes” before the doomed aircraft took its fatal plunge, according to a report that directly contradicts initial accounts of the crash.Pilot Mohamed Said Shoukair had “a conversation” with air traffic controllers in Cairo, according to The Independent, citing French television station M6..
After the conversation, the pilot made an “emergency descent” in an effort to depressurize the cabin and clear the smoke, according to the French station.


Why this remains in the "vague" column, IMO, indicates nonsense. They interview everyone involved. I am more inclined to believe this than not to. There was a release earlly in the story that there had been contact regarding an issue aboard. Then nothing more said about it.

It is almost as if they knew (interview) released, then were ordered not to say anything further about this angle, becasue it contradicts a instant event.

In the context of the whole deal , it is not a distress call, it is advising Air Traffic Control that they might be invading another planes airspace so the tower could clear any flights under its dive.

Def pondering if Egypt AIr prefers it to be terrorism, as it relates solely to $$ -liaability.

Another possibility is some type of catastrophic metal fatigue caused by the cycle of pressurization and depressurization associated with each takeoff and landing cycle

pilots are trained to focus first on the emergency at hand and then communicate only when free.
Authorities haven't said whether they lost only the secondary radar target, which is created by the plane's transponder, or whether the primary radar target, created by energy reflected from the plane, was lost as well.

If a plane came apart in the air or suffered a loss of electrical power, the secondary target would be lost, but the primary target is often still visible on radar. But if a plane were descending at rate of over 6,000 feet a minute — typical of a plane about to crash — the primary target might be lost as well.

Interesting basic dynamics related to a sitution like this. This piece was discussing AA crash, while having info related to this sitution.

.......age itself isn’t really the issue airlines consider when it comes to maintanence. Rather, it’s the number of flight cycles (how many times a plane takes off and lands) and hours in the air, Bowen said

It is unusual this far out for the number of cycles and flight hours not to be released. DO you think Egytpt Air does not want that info out???

http://nypost.com/2016/05/22/egyptair-pilot-reportedly-spoke-with-air-traffic-control-minutes-before-crash/

http://www.ibtimes.com/germanwings-9525-how-does-airline-decide-plane-too-old-fly-1857746

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/qa-what-might-have-happened-airasia-flight

___
Q: HOShare

​

​

​

Click to expand...

Jersey*Girl said:

https://www.rt.com/news/344171-egyptair-remains-point-explosion/

Human remains from EgyptAir Flight 804 point to explosion on board - Egypt forensic official
Published time: 24 May, 2016 09:15Edited time: 24 May, 2016 09:47

Click to expand...

gregjrichards said:

What motive do these people have to lie about this? I am very suspicious of the Egyptian governments 360 degree turns from infomration that is being released.

Thanks everyone for all your posts with news updates and discussion it is interesting to read all the information and your different points of view.

Click to expand...

Jersey*Girl said:

The only thing I can think of is that Egypt has been hit really hard recently and this disaster could pose a catastrophic hit to their tourism industry. They make millions upon millions during the sunniest season due to the tourism industry. I thought I read yesterday that their economy has suffered greatly from the last most recent incident. Is it possible that maybe Egypt is trying to bide time to investigate and put together a plan for caturing those responsible? Or maybe there are other threats to come so they could be investigating so as not to alert the responsible parties.

Click to expand...

gregjrichards said:

"Sharm el-Sheikh was already in trouble following last year's Metrojet disaster, but now the resort is 'on its knees' after the MS804 crash, according to one travel expert.

Hotel managers in the Egyptian resort are so desperate for business that they've slashed prices for five star hotel rooms from hundreds to as little as £18 a night, according to Travel Supermarket.

Bob Atkinson, a travel expert with the holiday specialist, believes that tourism in Sharm el-Sheikh is now close to collapsing altogether."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...hundreds-slashed-little-18.html#ixzz49ZsDd2oy

"Egypt ordered a huge crackdown on airport security in the wake of the MS804 disaster – under the watchful eye of UK experts.

Teams of British officials were working at Cairo international airport before 6am.

Passengers were put through a series of checks which included scanner and passport controls at main entrances to terminals.

Bags were then scanned, with random checks on electrical goods before and after check-in.

UK airport security specialists watched closely in the departure halls, both 'landside' and 'airside', as the checks were carried out."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/egyptair-804-disaster-forces-crackdown-8038408

Why wasn't this standard practise before? Especially after the Metrojet disaster.

Click to expand...

Tssiemer said:

Question.
Why can't the black box info be digitized and broadcast like to the towers or whatever?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

Tssiemer said:

I mean, I can track my husband with his phone to know when he's cheating on his diet. Buuuut.... the military cannot find a black box.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

He came from a family of pilots. One uncle was an air force captain. Two cousins, like him, flew for the national carrier, EgyptAir.

Click to expand...

Mohamed Shokair’s father, wearing a gray jacket and open shirt collar, arrived at the mosque at dusk looking drained. He walked with a slight stoop. But when questioned by an Egyptian news crew, he suddenly grabbed the reporter’s microphone and spoke directly into the camera in a calm, forceful voice.

“Mohamed was a good pilot. He had flown a lot of hours – he was not some beginner,” Saeed Shokair said, his eyes fixed. “And he knows God. He never missed a prayer.”

His father told a story about how, a few months ago, airline employees were on the verge of striking over working conditions. Shokair helped organize a dinner meeting for pilots in a Cairo suburb where they reached a decision to avert the work stoppage, winning him praise from civil aviation officials.

“We are a nationalistic people,” his father said. “We should support EgyptAir.”

Sharif Fathy, the civil aviation minister, came to pay his respects, as officials and EgyptAir executives have done at several funerals for crew members. Afterward, Fathy described Shokair as “a trustworthy pilot with enough experience” and rejected speculation that the crash was caused by human error.

“He didn’t do anything wrong,” Fathy said.

Click to expand...

Questions have also surrounded Shokair’s copilot, Mohamed Mamdouh Assem, who the airline said had amassed 2,766 flying hours. Assem’s friends described him as a warm, popular young man who was living out the dream he set for himself as a schoolboy: to fly for EgyptAir, which he joined straight out of aviation school about two years ago.

“He always talked about being a pilot,” said Ahmed Amin, a childhood friend from Cairo. “He was very happy doing what he was doing.”

Click to expand...

Shokair was unmarried and had no children, family members said. But he also was planning to settle down; he bought land outside the city where he was going to build a house, his father said.

Those hopes were extinguished Thursday, leaving an elderly father to grieve the loss of his only son.

“I hope whoever took away my son will lose the light in their eyes,” Saeed Shokair said. “Because I’ve lost the light of my eye.”

Click to expand...

The official is on the Egyptian forensic team and has personally examined the remains, kept at a Cairo morgue. He spoke to The Associated Press on Tuesday on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information.

He says the body parts are "so tiny" and that at least one piece of a human arm has signs of burns -- an indication it might have "belonged to a passenger sitting next to the explosion."

Click to expand...

Tssiemer said:

I mean, I can track my husband with his phone to know when he's cheating on his diet. Buuuut.... the military cannot find a black box.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

gregjrichards said:

Yet another information change what is the real truth?

"An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean last week did not descend sharply or change direction before it disappeared from radar, according to a senior Egyptian aviation official.

Flight MS 804 was flying from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished on Thursday.

The Greek defence minister said the Airbus A320 turned 90 degrees to the left before a 360-degree turn towards the right.

And reports surfaced this week that the pilot descended rapidly in an effort to extinguish a fire.

However, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, Ehab Azmy told The Associated Press on Monday that the plane did not swerve or lose altitude before it disappeared off radar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-did-not-change-direction-says-senior-egypti/

The families of those 66 people who died deserve to know the truth about how their loved ones died.

Click to expand...

AlwaysShocked said:

Maybe they found stuff that floats? Those boxes would likely sink to the bottom of the sea.

Click to expand...

Adel said that media reports suggesting otherwise were "all speculation."

"Any high velocity impact leads to defragmentations, and this is not indicative of what caused the accident," he said.
"Let's not jump to conclusions."

The search continues for the plane's fuselage and the critical black boxes, which are expected to provide vital clues about what happened to the aircraft. Adel said EgyptAir had no information about the location of the fuselage, and that the multinational search team was focusing on an area "about the size of Connecticut."

Click to expand...

At the heart of the confusion over the final moments of the flight are conflicting reports from Greek and Egyptian authorities.

Click to expand...

Initially, Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos said that, upon entering Egyptian airspace, the aircraft swerved "90 degrees left and then 360 degrees" before plunging dramatically.

Click to expand...

The head of Egypt's National Air Navigation Services Company is challenging that account. Administrative board chairman Mohi El-Din Azmi told Egyptian state-run media Al-Ahram on Sunday that the plane did not swerve or lose altitude before it disappeared off the radar.

Click to expand...

Gicquel said the families are distrustful of Egypt, in part due to how the country handled the investigation of the 2004 crash of a jet carrying mostly French tourists taking off from the resort town of Sharm el-Sheikh.

Click to expand...

There were indications of problems with a heated window in the cockpit, a sliding window in the cockpit, smoke in the lavatory, smoke in the avionics compartment below the cockpit, a fixed window, the autopilot and the flight control system.
The alerts don't necessarily mean a fire occurred on the Airbus A320 or that the crew even knew about the alerts, which are automatically transmitted, aviation experts cautioned.

Click to expand...

Egypt's head of forensics denied reports that an initial examination of human remains belonging to victims aboard the EgyptAir jet that crashed in the Mediterranean pointed toward an explosion, state news agency MENA said on Tuesday.

"Everything published about this matter is completely false, and mere assumptions that did not come from the Forensics Authority," MENA quoted Hesham Abdelhamid as saying in a statement.

Click to expand...