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The Dutch door room could be the library. There are bookshelves that look like library shelves on the left hand side of the pic of the room that has separated windows.
TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30
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WE (PUBLIC) have no knowledge of sequences as in time frame to where the Suspect was at in real time other than in front of Holy Grounds (3:58 am at that particular time) Remember too they edited it to where they wanted the public assistance in gait and mannerisms of the Suspect. That is all.
My brain works a little differently then most, I'm afraid. The round face confuses me with the squareness of the journey SP took. But I think I follow you.It's 100% possible that those 4 video snips in that 2:27 LE video were the earliest views of the perp in the building, and in sequence. Or, they could have been randomly selected, and in a random order.
But if the former, then here's how they would line up. I'll use a reference of a clockface (hour hand) for directions, with the N side being at the top (with the kitchen at about 12, then).
1 - in the N side hall, perp goes from 12:15 to about 1 and then back to about 11
2 - having rounded the NW corner unrecorded, perp is now in the W side hall and goes from about 9 down to about 6 as he turns the SW corner
3 - now in the S side hall, he then goes down the hall to about 4:30 (and maybe farther unrecorded) and then turns around and comes back to 5:45 where he enters the auditorium
4 - out of sight, he traverses the auditorium from 5:45 to about 3, then we see him exiting into the E side hall at 3 and dallying there a bit before the camera cuts off
In total, he's almost made a full lap.
Hope that helps.:smile:
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Correct and honestly door could of been left like that from the night before (Sunday April 17) Someone could have been carrying something out parked in the Covered Awning, r it was raining then also iirc
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Top photo is exterior. Bottom is interior.
I think it may be two different areas too because the top photo has the faux (or real??) stone on the lower part of the wall and the other photo does not.
ETA: I'm sorry, I see this was answered before my post posted.
SW part of building is where Missy was found. That is exactly the area where perp was on camera by the bulletin board, attempting to get into room to left of bulletin board with prybar and hammer briefly, sees camera, walks across view of camera without looking at it again. A statement was made that after that, everything went black. I believe that perp disabled camera at that point which is why it was not caught on camera. Perp somehow knew Missy's routine and knew that she had to enter main set of doors with key to come down hallway and open the doors where her truck was parked. This routine was the same whether rain or shine to open bathrooms for campers. If you look at the tape, there is a dark hallway to the right of the bulletin board. If Missy came in the main entrance, she passed that hallway on her way to open the doors near where her truck was parked. Perp had an easy way to get to her once she walked past that hallway. Perp would not have been able to hide within the area of the doors near her truck as it was all glass. I believe perp struck her with the initial weapon right near the bulletin board and finished the job in that general vicinity. Campers would be able to see through those doors and a body laying down may look like a 'rolled up rug' through 2 sets of glass doors. The fact that campers could see her and camera did not says that perp disabled it. We saw 2 views from cameras in that area. In my opinion, perp disabled the one looking at the bulletin board. That being said, I think perp disabled most cameras if not all prior to leaving the property. The item that we keep discussing from part of the video appears to be a video camera in my opinion. And the force that was necessary to remove the lock on the kitchen door was insane. Not a woman. They may have disabled the cameras but they may not have realized that all prior footage was captured in my opinion. I also believe perp came very early before the murder and busted windows & doors quickly and left to see if cops responded. When coast was clear after a while, they knew they had time until Missy arrived which accounts for the casual nature of the perp walking around slowly etc. Perp knew exactly what time MB would be there, perp knew where she would enter and which direction she would be headed, perp knew she may be carrying a weapon, perp knew she may recognize them and/or that there were cameras. Definitely not random, not a burglary, not a spree or serial killer. Narrows it down quite a bit.
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Maybe you can try envisioning it with a square clock face:
(Edit: trying to make it larger...)
no go -- oh well, you get the idea
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Two Unsubs would explain the discrepancy from LEO in gender and height. First, it's a male. Then, it may be a female. FIrst, perp is tall. Then, perp is short.
It would also explain LEOs estimated height vs Batbrat's work on the height being of nonmatching heights with LEO. Someone mentioned early on in the investigation of a difference in the patches worn that I've never been able to determine. Anyone? Anyone?
Motive: The SWs give us explicit [numerous] possible motive(s). The interviews and the letters are clues.
Opportunity: The time of day provides many with an alibi of simply being asleep. BB, VB and RB were out of town. Would require a requested hit.
Means: Anyone with a hammer or heavy metal tool does not require physical fitness just the ability to swing hard enough to whack on the head an unsuspecting person who then falls to the ground for the final assault AND possesses the will to kill and possibly kill with a [stolen] gun. :dunno:
Also ~ want to thank the poster (think it was CHUCKJ) from the last thread who mentioned the headgear worn with turned up edges is not a motorcycle helmet as that's not conducive for riding a bike. I stopped riding a few years ago but my helmet edges are flush and not upturned. :facepalm: BB was wrong when he told us he thought it was an ordinary motorcycle helmet. :tantrum:
this has probably already been talked about. Maybe LE released scene after gathering evidence (taking CTV footage) and did not view it until they returned to office. Then they see SP. Maybe this is why ATF and FBI were brought in after they saw someone dressed in tactical outfit. Thought more investigation was needed to make sure public would safe at the church.
Sorry if already discussed
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Okay so these are approximate, since they're pretty down and dirty. I believe the first three are pretty accurate - once again based on what I believe is an 84" door installation and accounting for some lens distortion - the last one I'm not as sure on:
Main tiled hallway: ~15'0" wide
Dutch Door hallway: ~8'0" wide
Kitchen hallway: ~8'0" wide
Last hallway (most difficult to measure) ~7'0" wide
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LE said it's 1 perp. It's one perp. They stated that perp MAY be female. Experts narrowed down height.
Thank you verbonica.....Still doesn't work for me. I pretty well see it in my head how SP traveled but if possible (I would do it if I could) I'd like to see the layout of the church in reference with the road outside, some of the key areas marked...much like Arkansasmimi's map (but bigger) but with the entire route taken by the SP marked with arrows. And then explore MB'S possible routes with a different colored pen. And for those who think there were 2 perp's, those routes could be incorporated somehow too. And...add a getaway car route and/or an on foot getaway.
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I'm late to this conversation, but if you are speaking about the fire doors (any of the doors with the horizontal panic bars on them), rule of thumb is, those doors always open outward, toward the parking lot or exterior of the building. Think about what happens during a fire and it'll make sense. A panicked crowd surges towards the exit doors, and if those doors don't push outward, that crowd isn't going to make it out in time. You wouldn't want to have a situation where you'd had to pull an exit door open 'into' the building, and into the crush of people pushing their way outside in a panic. Sadly, some people will collapse of smoke inhalation at the doors, and it would be a death trap to others behind them if their collapse kept those doors from opening for others who might otherwise be able to make it out.
Hope that helps.
I'm right there with
you!
like your post (Hey You post) Wonder if LE noted where Windows and doors busted if there was standing water in those areas from the rain. If there was quite a bit it might prove your theory that they busted doors and windows and then left to see if alarms went off.
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Here is a plan of the church hallways. I have placed the hallway seen in the very end of the video to the East side of the building. IMO that's the only side that fits the lack of windows/ doors across the sanctuary, where you see the perp exiting door number 12. Corrections and additions welcome, as always.
In the bottom left picture (the one with SP on the west side of the building), are we looking north or south? I think that this picture is taken from one of the cameras in the SW corner, correct? In the picture on the bottom row (second from the right), are those the SW doors near the awning? Thank you.
ETA - In the bottom left picture, is the area across from SP the hall to the main entrance (the one on the west side)? If so, this picture must have been taken in the NW corner because SP would have had to turn left to be in his current location.
It looks like the rain may have stopped at that point or that those areas were protected. I'm positive that LE knows who did it. RIP Missy and if her daughters are here, you go do what your mom would have wanted. Have fun, be smart, keep trying new things, make new friends, make right decisions, be strong and no matter what, remember how much your mom loved you.
Sw corner is pic where the tiled floor meets the plain floor and you can see the glass doors to the right which is where Missy's truck was parked.
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