TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

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ocgrad said:
IMO CT and AJT would have been POI regardless of rumored affair simply because that's who she was with within 24 hrs of her murder. I think the last person with her, especially a married colleague at an out of town weekend business trip, gotta investigate.
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But why was AT different than any of the other married campers/colleagues who were in Austin with MB? Was it reported that AT was the last person with MB? I apologize, but I don't recall seeing that.

I don't think that we ever resolved the issue of BB stating he had FOUR kids.
 
Cannonball3804 said:
Nothing In The MSM or from LE to indicate either one of them had an "affair" in the physical sense, and MB is the only one we know of specifically with regard to "external relationship(s)". So respectfully, it is not factual to say that BB presumably told investigators about his own affair when there is nothing to back up the existence of one, physical or otherwise.

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I believe LE said "relationship(s) outside the marriage". All we know about MB relates to the flirtatious messages, correct? I don't recall information substantiating a relationship. I guess by "affair in the physical sense" you're referring to a sexual relationship. I wouldn't think LE would disclose that information even if they had it . So, there's nothing to support a sexual relationship for either partner, unless you have other facts, in my opinion.
 
cady said:
I do not KNOW that as a fact, but my question was for you. JMO
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My answer is that I've seen no source above the rumor level that has stated BB had an affair of any kind.


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LE would not specify relationships...it was stated as gently as it could be...after all, EVERYONE that I know has "relationships" with people who do not necessarily have a "relationship" with their spouse! People have friendships, working relationships, activity relationships etc that have nothing to do with their "relationship" with their spouse. An extra-marital relationship generally, however, is thought of as a physical relationship. In my opinion, that is what the affiant for the SW was referring to. JMO...........................if there is evidence of that, we will find out at trial, not before. JMO
 
GA_Peach said:
I don't think that we ever resolved the issue of BB stating he had FOUR kids.
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If he did have a fourth, it would be an interesting question as to who that fourth was. Maybe before he and MB were married? IMO, a young male of someone on the SW looks a lot like him (BB). IMO, IMO, IMO.
 
MB came into contact with several people (likely 100+) in the last couple days of her life. However, only a select few were included in the SWs. I don't think that it is a huge leap to think that only people with a known MOTIVE to kill Missy were included. Please note that having a motive does not make one a murderer!

I think it's extremely fair to ask why people were included. It's also interesting to note some people very close to Missy who were excluded.
 
GA_Peach said:
But why was AT different than any of the other married campers/colleagues who were in Austin with MB? Was it reported that AT was the last person with MB? I apologize, but I don't recall seeing that.

I don't think that we ever resolved the issue of BB stating he had FOUR kids.
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No, we really didn't. I remember several people thinking he said "poor kids". I believe it was Neimiah who watched the video closely and said his lips looked like "four kids".
Someone else posted that he may have always referred to children and wife as "four girls".......we left it at that, I believe.
 
x_files said:
If the LE said the cameras weren't tampered with then how or why did the cameras go black? curious, driving me insane.
Could another perp disabled the camera, found the control room? or hacked into the feed from another location?
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Is that from police that the cameras went blank?
 
I have also been bothered by this "knowing" comment and also one from MT, "The morning before we knew anything had happened, he said ‘I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful.’ He was just so afraid something would happen,” said Tucker. "Before"? Maybe she just misspoke but that struck me from the first.
 
Seriously? said:
I believe LE said "relationship(s) outside the marriage". All we know about MB relates to the flirtatious messages, correct? I don't recall information substantiating a relationship. I guess by "affair in the physical sense" you're referring to a sexual relationship. I wouldn't think LE would disclose that information even if they had it . So, there's nothing to support a sexual relationship for either partner, unless you have other facts, in my opinion.
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I think if we try to see things through LE's eyes, is it reasonable or unreasonable to think that they would see a several-months private online "flirty/familiar/intimate" communication as being a "relationship"? I think it's reasonable. So I think there is a basis to presume an external relationship on MB's part, though not necessarily physical. But there is no basis to presume the same for BB. That's not to say he didn't have one; we just have no basis to presume as such.

That is why I questioned Cady's wording that presumably BB told investigators about his (affair). Seems like it would have been appropriate to add "if he had one" at the end of that.


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No it's not said:
Funny you mention it. There is indeed a FB pic (MB FB) of the CG group posing in front of that accordion door for a photo!

-Nin
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For those wanting a better grasp of accordion door area at the south side of the sanctuary - this photo is from Missy's public Camp Gladiator page. (I've cropped off the post to the right and blurred their faces for privacy.) You can see the recessed sanctuary doors to the left of the camper group, which is posing in front of "Holy Grounds," a coffee bar area (when accordion doors are rolled to the side). To the right appears to be a storage door, and then the south hallway junction. The SW (awning) entrance doors would be at the end of this main hall, just out of view and to the right of the group. (Mods please delete photo if this is not okay.)

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From the photo, I got the feeling that this SW end of the main hall was where the group actually worked out when taking the class indoors, rather than in a classroom or in the auditorium. Plenty of room to spread out in that hall, not too far for Missy to carry in equipment, and the more private areas of the church belonging to the Creekside church family wouldn't need to be accessed. Seems like an airy, adequate space, and with the availability of restrooms right there, I can see it as being a potentially good choice for their workout space.
 
cady said:
????? She was "with" a lot of people in Austin. Do we know that AJT was the "last" person she was with? JMO
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I thought it was reported that she and AJT drove to Austin and back together. I read that, did not hear it, so I will have to back track and see where that was. I believe it was a FB post. And I didn't mean "last person" in a literal sense, just that the weekend in Austin ended Sunday and she was killed Monday.
 
GA_Peach said:
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Any idea what this oval "object" is in the above screen capture? It looks like a person to me. :gaah:
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I saved your screenshot and lightened it.. I can certainly see why you would think it's a person. Perhaps someone with PC skills can have a look.
 
cady said:
LE would not specify relationships...it was stated as gently as it could be...after all, EVERYONE that I know has "relationships" with people who do not necessarily have a "relationship" with their spouse! People have friendships, working relationships, activity relationships etc that have nothing to do with their "relationship" with their spouse. An extra-marital relationship generally, however, is thought of as a physical relationship. In my opinion, that is what the affiant for the SW was referring to. JMO...........................if there is evidence of that, we will find out at trial, not before. JMO
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Respectfully, not in this online age of dating sites and chat rooms. People can have an intimate series of communications with someone other than their spouse, without meeting physically. And if those communications are intimate and familiar, anyone reading them would classify it as a relationship, with or without the physical aspect.

If you really dispute that, we will just respectfully disagree and move on.


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Batbrat said:
Okay, here is a once-more revised version of the map, based on the research results SteveS acquired on the actual church grounds. Thank you, Steve for your contribution, sleuthing, and for permission to tap into your research.

The outlined camera blind spot (purple) looks small, but is approximately 10'x8' in size. The glass table is just north of the blind spot, along the west wall.
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Thanks for the hard work. That's great! For future reference as needed, I'm posting together below your diagram first, and then mine after it, two versions based on the same research. And after a bit of close looking at video and analysis of general church layout, I think the door to room 12 is actually located on the southside hall, about where noted. (It's not important to know, but has been a source of a bit of curiosity previously due to appearing in video.)

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Cannonball3804 said:
I think if we try to see things through LE's eyes, is it reasonable or unreasonable to think that they would see a several-months private online "flirty/familiar/intimate" communication as being a "relationship"? I think it's reasonable. So I think there is a basis to presume an external relationship on MB's part, though not necessarily physical. But there is no basis to presume the same for BB. That's not to say he didn't have one; we just have no basis to presume as such.

That is why I questioned Cady's wording that presumably BB told investigators about his (affair). Seems like it would have been appropriate to add "if he had one" at the end of that.


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I stated that it was JMO.......................always a good idea to state that it is just your opinion, when you make a statement. FACT is, that no one here knows the facts, but we all have OPINIONS and we all speculate. JMO
 
For those of you who theorize that the murder happened in the restroom, I'm curious how you envision Swatperp exiting the scene after the murder (keeping in mind that there is no camera footage of SP after the murder). I know from conversation yesterday that at least 1 or 2 WSers think that SP ran back to the kitchen so fast that the 2 NE and 2 SW cameras did not 'catch' him running the length of the west hallway nor turning into the north hallway to access the kitchen.

Anyone have any other brainstorms?
 
Cannonball3804 said:
I think if we try to see things through LE's eyes, is it reasonable or unreasonable to think that they would see a several-months private online "flirty/familiar/intimate" communication as being a "relationship"? I think it's reasonable. So I think there is a basis to presume an external relationship on MB's part, though not necessarily physical. But there is no basis to presume the same for BB. That's not to say he didn't have one; we just have no basis to presume as such.

That is why I questioned Cady's wording that presumably BB told investigators about his (affair). Seems like it would have been appropriate to add "if he had one" at the end of that.


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Disagree. I think it's unreasonable based on what we have. Starting in January, I believe, is what LE said in the search warrant. So that's a few months - several months - and we don't know if the exchanges were once a month, once a week, daily or whatever. There could have been a limited number of messages or a steady stream. Since we don't know the extent of those communications, I don't think we can deduce what LE thought. Nor can we have an unbiased opinion of the content of those messages. Flirty and familiar does not a relationship make.
However, we also know from that search warrant that LE had tips and information regarding their marital status, which was independent of Linked In, if I remember correctly.
Until LE quantifies "relationship", I'm saying I don't know about either partner. My opinion

Don't want to go into "shards and pieces" territory here.

Movin' on.
 
SteveS said:
I don't believe LE claims there's video of MB walking TOWARDS the camera, but instead just the opposite. She walked up the main hallway and then cams stopped recording as she got farther away.

I believe she was going someplace she needed to go to prepare for her class, which maybe was being held inside somewhere. But how far up the hallway, to be past cam notice where it stopped? I'm speculating she went at least as far as the blue arrows, but imo it could have been even more, perhaps even all the way up to some part of the halls in the NW corner imo, which I have indicated some of what I think are possible ensuing routes by the red arrows in the diagram.

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Thank you for the arrows earlier this morning and the map!

I originally thought MB was murdered in the SW corner
of the auditorium as well,
and that SP escaped being caught by the camera by quickly crossing from an auditorium door to the kitchen door. But I really think the camera on the NE wall or door would have picked it up.


I felt the police weren't really
sure where the SP exited from.

I'm willing to rethink where MB was murdered but I still think it was either in the SW vestibule or in the blind spot (OMG, I'm going to spell the name incorrectly) that your fellow mapmaker
Braebart made.

If SP is a woman, she had backup help on the outside only. Someone really strong had to break those doors. And someone had the car ready to go when the deed was done.

If SP is a man, he did it alone.

Thanks again to both of you on the very awesome maps!!

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