Ok, I am on the hunt for where the first campers came upon the scene and saw what they thought was a rolled up rug through the glass doors near where Missy's truck was parked and it turned out to be Missy's body. I know I saw it mentioned more than once here on WS. If anybody here who has been following closely can help me find this info it would be helpful! I have read every thread since the first so I will try to go back and find it!!
TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #31
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Yes, I saw you were responding to what was said. I was just trying to help. I think her "visibility" after death has grown from being completely unseen and unknown until the campers entered and looked around, to being in a place that could have been seen, to actually being seen, to now being in plain view. That's the path I recall, with no new evidence to drive it.
From what information we have been given and the location of her truck, I am right there with ya zoeneli. I'm still thinking the sick, evil, SwatPerp videoed the assault. 👺
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If that turns out to be evidence rather than someone's raw wild theory, I'll be shocked. (But, also appreciative that you found it, too!) My recollection is that what we were told is her location was only discovered after campers entered and were looking for her.
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While I tend to agree with most of your "telephone game" type assessments, this was reported by the producer of NG's show who spoke with LE that day. Given the source, it could still be "wild speculation" (hah), but the source of that information isn't a "telephone game" extrapolation of anyone here.
MAYBE.. (??) when CG's first entered the building and looked down the main hallway, they saw "something" and might have thought it was a rolled up rug at first glance. Until they got closer that is. Just a guess on my part.
No worries, I don't take any offense to your comments, I may just be a little sensitive after being called out for using the wrong word for glass pieces. :blushing:
I think the discrepancy here is that media (Nancy Grace-so take with that grain of salt) reported that she was found "in plain view." However, it wasn't clarified whether the campers themselves could see her in plain view from the PC door. I can see how you would be concerned that my comment was spreading misinformation.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1605/16/ng.01.html
"Well, a new detail we`ve learned is Missy Bevers`s body was in plain view. When law enforcement arrived at the crime scene, her body was
not concealed. It was not hidden. It was easy for law enforcement to find..."
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I agree. I never believed she was outside myself. Especially considering there's no glass under the patio area.
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I am assuming that MB had a formal agreement with the church regarding her CG class. Given how frequently MB was there, I think that the church would have the insurance company review their policy for any potential liabilities arising from CG. It's also possible MB (or CG) "leased" the space from the church since she was using it for a commercial purpose. The church would have supplied MB with a key when the relationship was formalized. MOO
Gotcha. I see cfreyja's fuller quote, and it makes sense now ....the statement being that LE was saying the body wasn't hidden somewhere. But no idea actually conveyed that it was necessarily seeable from outside the building. So some of the idea is based in NG words, and some is from taking that to another level or three.
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I have never read anything that led me to believe that anyone saw anything in plain view.
It certainly could be the case, as we aren't sure exactly where she was found.
It is just as easy for me to believe that the campers went looking for her .
They knew she was there as her truck was visible
It certainly could be the case, as we aren't sure exactly where she was found.
It is just as easy for me to believe that the campers went looking for her .
They knew she was there as her truck was visible
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Maybe she got that "evidence" here on WS. It wouldn't be the first time.
What information do you think that statement contradicts? I ask because much of my theory on what happened inside the church is based on the assumption that MB was found in the SW corner blind spot.
ETA - Based on the time of the 911 calls, the campers found her quickly.
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one of our posters Hey You is who posted about the rolled up rug
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-30&p=12661355#post12661355
Campers would be able to see through those doors and a body laying down may look like a 'rolled up rug' through 2 sets of glass doors.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-30&p=12661355#post12661355
Campers would be able to see through those doors and a body laying down may look like a 'rolled up rug' through 2 sets of glass doors.
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Ah, so we can say there isn't a "shard" of evidence she was in plain view? Kidding!
But really, I think the most specific narrative of MB being found was in Spann's comments in that first press conference. It isn't very specific, but here is what he said as quoted by WFAA:
"She was actually found by one of the boot camp participants who got there a little bit early and waited outside for a while until others got there," Spann said. "They went in the building where they located her"
So this wording may not completely rule out her being seen from outside, but it sure doesn't rule it in either.
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I think due to the murders of the LEO and the 2 black men have taken presidency.
Last week and this week she's had guest speakers sitting in for her as well as Dr Drew.
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Thank you! I looked for this in the evidence logs, but didn't find it..
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Captain John Spann: Pretty quick after she got there. Again, the timeline
from the boot camp members that were arriving there again, we know
the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around
4:18 [A.M.], again, approximate time. We see her in the video. She's
walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but
when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion,
and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have
no video of the assault actually taking place. "
If Batbrat's placement of cameras is correct, Captain Spann's description supports theory that she entered the PC doors not the front entrance.
from the boot camp members that were arriving there again, we know
the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around
4:18 [A.M.], again, approximate time. We see her in the video. She's
walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but
when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion,
and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have
no video of the assault actually taking place. "
If Batbrat's placement of cameras is correct, Captain Spann's description supports theory that she entered the PC doors not the front entrance.
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Here are the "green men" animations, side by side. It's an attempt to show how data point subtraction from gear measurements and euclidean geometry applied to general anatomy will reveal an approximate body shape beneath the costume. Let me know if you need any further explanation.
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I don't have the picture right now, but I thought the cameras were in the SW corner? To me that supports the theory of coming in the W door, not PC. If she comes in the PC door, the cameras should see her as she starts walking down the hall and 'out of range' would be at the farther end of the hall, unless I am translating something in the statement or camera placement incorrectly.
So Scout, you are thinking that MB entered through the SW doors where her truck was parked.
How does MB get seen on the video "walking down the main hallway, only to get out of range of the camera?" (Capt. Spann/4/18 PR) That's one reason I'm having a hard time with the SW door as MB's entry point.
If she had been found in the auditorium, MB would have been seen on video.. but not "walking down the main hallway." Same scenario with the restrooms. Unless you are thinking she headed up towards the front door (W) to unlock it and was attacked on her way back. In that case she would have been on the video twice, once going to the main door (then out of camera range) then walking back to the carport area.
Trying to understand.. even though I don't think "which entry door" is going to help us find her killer. I know we are trying to put the pieces together and remain open to all possibilities.
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