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Tricksy said:
I've always been confused by you guys talking about the properties above the shops. As far as I've always been aware, the properties are part of the shops, my work mate and I had a look round there last week and we couldn't see anything that resembled residential accommodation in that area. They all looked as though they are used by the shops.
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I did post about this and PurpleWitch did agree with me that there isn't likely to be flats above the shops. I did some research myself that indicates this.

Just looking at the back of those shops and all I see is fire exit doors and 6 foot gates. How would the postman deliver mail (for example)?
 
Good to be back, while we were on the naughty step this article was published

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/73...tland-Yard-RAF-airman-missing-Bury-St-Edmunds

"SPECIALIST officers from Scotland Yard have been called in to try to solve the riddle of how an RAF airman vanished after a night out. "

and some new CCTV info

"They have taken away CCTV footage from a camera on the Moyse’s Hall museum next door, Analysis of the footage does not show Corrie, but the camera does not cover the whole roof area, which has been used by vagrants in the past. "
 
That's a lot of people 39 of them all went in to a dead end, makes me think that maybe it was a drug dealing place or something hence people not coming forward to be identified ,
 
Scorpio1 said:
That's a lot of people 39 of them all went in to a dead end, makes me think that maybe it was a drug dealing place or something hence people not coming forward to be identified ,
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I think we have to be careful here:

39 People have been detected on CCTV in the 'Horeshoe' general area in the target time window.
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BBM

This could just be people walking through from Mcdonalds to Greggs for example. Not specifically into the bin area itself, IMO.
 
maya90 said:
Good afternoon all -

I am new to this forum however have followed this case since the day it was reported via the media he was missing.

Like most I think a whirlwind of ideas and scenarios have run through our minds in the past 8 weeks.
However I felt more than ever here would be a good place to display and put across some opinions and comments based on professional views (these in my eyes, like many others, are not something I wish to force upon anyone else and are in no way meant with any malice)

- I understand how phone triangulation works. His phone was not used (seemingly) after 03.08am to send a text message to someone who at this stage for me reamins unidenfitied. (I will not comment on the tit for tat toss up between a friend and family as its purely speculation)

- It is my understanding REF the update posted today, that Corrie was not with his phone when it travelled to the area of Barton Mills/Mildenhall if of course the mode of transportation is correct.

- Although I understand extensive CCTV has been reviewed, the reference to recycling does not quite match with the companies rota in this specific postcode region and has been brought to attention for further anaylsis.

- As many people remain unidentified on the CCTV, my feeling remains that one of them could still be Corrie.
For reasons I believe, mental health or otherwise, the need to get away can be over powering and whilst I do not believe for a second any malice or harm was meant by it, I could not begin to imagine how difficult it would be to come back at this stage.

Pets are used in a number of Therapy related cases, for comfort, responsibility and lonliness. I struggle to understand why he was left behind by friends travelling to BSE that night, or why the urge to drive over calling a taxi was provoked (besides the obvious money factor of course!)

None of my comments raised are meant with any undue stress, pressure or upset to the family, and I for one to not wish to speculate or snoop in areas that I have no knowledge of.

Just my thoughts and or discussion on the content of the update..

Thanks :)
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Hi & Welcome.

Can only really answer a couple of your questions.

It's not always that easy to get a taxi in to town from that area on a Friday night and relatively late in the evening. It would also not be cheap either. The local taxis to him are pretty much gone ( I grew up less than a mile from the camp). I imagine he thought he'd drive in then leave the car overnight and get a lift the next day?

I've always been surprised by his friends not looking for him and making sure he got home safe. But then again, I'm female, would it be different for early twenties males?
 
I'm pleased that today's update has some definite information, we can move on from talk of Corrie being in the bin, the need to search the landfill, the silver car,

There's no mention of the teens, is that significant or can we ignore them too now. Are they in the 39?

I do wonder how long it took to find the 16 of the 39 so far identified and how good their recollection would be, if they are in that area regularly I don't think they would be able to pinpoint a specific day with any accuracy. JMO
 
Scorpio1 said:
That's a lot of people 39 of them all went in to a dead end, makes me think that maybe it was a drug dealing place or something hence people not coming forward to be identified ,
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But it's not a dead end for a pedestrian is it? I think this was an early confusion, there are actually lots of ways to walk out
 
maya90 said:
Good afternoon all -

I am new to this forum however have followed this case since the day it was reported via the media he was missing.

Like most I think a whirlwind of ideas and scenarios have run through our minds in the past 8 weeks.
However I felt more than ever here would be a good place to display and put across some opinions and comments based on professional views (these in my eyes, like many others, are not something I wish to force upon anyone else and are in no way meant with any malice)

- I understand how phone triangulation works. His phone was not used (seemingly) after 03.08am to send a text message to someone who at this stage for me reamins unidenfitied. (I will not comment on the tit for tat toss up between a friend and family as its purely speculation)

- It is my understanding REF the update posted today, that Corrie was not with his phone when it travelled to the area of Barton Mills/Mildenhall if of course the mode of transportation is correct.

- Although I understand extensive CCTV has been reviewed, the reference to recycling does not quite match with the companies rota in this specific postcode region and has been brought to attention for further anaylsis.

- As many people remain unidentified on the CCTV, my feeling remains that one of them could still be Corrie.
For reasons I believe, mental health or otherwise, the need to get away can be over powering and whilst I do not believe for a second any malice or harm was meant by it, I could not begin to imagine how difficult it would be to come back at this stage.

Pets are used in a number of Therapy related cases, for comfort, responsibility and lonliness. I struggle to understand why he was left behind by friends travelling to BSE that night, or why the urge to drive over calling a taxi was provoked (besides the obvious money factor of course!)

None of my comments raised are meant with any undue stress, pressure or upset to the family, and I for one to not wish to speculate or snoop in areas that I have no knowledge of.

Just my thoughts and or discussion on the content of the update..

Thanks :)
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Hi maya90 Welcome!
Could I ask where the info came from that the bin company rota did not fit the postcode?
Do you mean they weren't scheduled to be there on that date/time?


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TheTruthWillOut said:
I did post about this and PurpleWitch did agree with me that there isn't likely to be flats above the shops. I did some research myself that indicates this.

Just looking at the back of those shops and all I see is fire exit doors and 6 foot gates. How would the postman deliver mail (for example)?
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Oh. OK, sorry I have missed your post on that. I was confused as to them being residential so when I was on lunch last week a work mate and I both looked and they really do look to be part of the shops.

I can't answer conclusively, but I can only tell you my experience of getting post when I had a shop, the post man used to bring it in during opening hours (I did have a letterbox though). If the properties are all connected to the shops they would go in to the shops to deliver.
 
Tricksy said:
Hi & Welcome.

Can only really answer a couple of your questions.

It's not always that easy to get a taxi in to town from that area on a Friday night and relatively late in the evening. It would also not be cheap either. The local taxis to him are pretty much gone ( I grew up less than a mile from the camp). I imagine he thought he'd drive in then leave the car overnight and get a lift the next day?

I've always been surprised by his friends not looking for him and making sure he got home safe. But then again, I'm female, would it be different for early twenties males?
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I think it is very different for young men and particularly in the type of environment where it would be likely that people would be away for the weekend. I really don't think it's strange that no one raised the alarm over the weekend, even if his friends wondered where he was I don't think anyone would call the police if they don't make contact with a friend for 48 hours. In my 20s I certainly wouldn't have done although that was pre social media so I do accept it might be more noticeable now
 
TheTruthWillOut said:
I think we have to be careful here:



BBM

This could just be people walking through from Mcdonalds to Greggs for example. Not specifically into the bin area itself, IMO.
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Totally agree here. I honestly imagine that they were walking through and not in to the horse shoe.
 
suzyjackson said:
I think it is very different for young men and particularly in the type of environment where it would be likely that people would be away for the weekend. I really don't think it's strange that no one raised the alarm over the weekend, even if his friends wondered where he was I don't think anyone would call the police if they don't make contact with a friend for 48 hours. In my 20s I certainly wouldn't have done although that was pre social media so I do accept it might be more noticeable now
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Thanks.
I've never thought it that odd that say the people near to his room didn't notice he was missing over the weekend, I've posted before that I've seen a lot of young men from the camp heading off home at weekends, so his neighbours may have been away themselves.

Now this is where me being female kicks in, but I would be checking where my friend I was supposed to be on a night out with was, but then I'm not in my 20s and male!
 
CoverMeCagney said:
So in my mind there are 5 options left:

1. Corrie left in car 1
2. Corrie left in car 2
3. Corrie left in car 3
4. Corrie left in the cab of the bin lorry
5. Corrie left after 8am.

Now... the 3 cars are under investigation still, does that mean the drivers have not come forward? Or that the numberplates can't be seen on the footage?

Is it still possible that Corrie went into one of the properties above the shops and didn't come out until after 8am (the point up to which CCTV has been viewed)?
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All cars have been located but not said what is happening now with them. This is from Tony's latest update.
 
CoverMeCagney said:
Please go and read Susan McLeans thread if anyone needs a heartwarming (but also tragic) case. It's one of my favourites as it made me realise what a bloody brilliant bunch of people we have on this board, and it's an absolute page turner. Susan was an American lost in Scotland and we had her husband, her best friend who flew from US, and an amazing local with a very good reason for searching all on the thread. Bit of a rollercoaster.... but I bet you can't put it down.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...61-U-S-tourist-Aberfeldy-Scotland-17-May-2015
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While this thread was down, I took your advice and read the whole of the Susan McLean thread and it was absolutely incredible -- so many thanks for the suggestion.
 
maya90 said:
Good afternoon all -

I am new to this forum however have followed this case since the day it was reported via the media he was missing.

Like most I think a whirlwind of ideas and scenarios have run through our minds in the past 8 weeks.
However I felt more than ever here would be a good place to display and put across some opinions and comments based on professional views (these in my eyes, like many others, are not something I wish to force upon anyone else and are in no way meant with any malice)

- I understand how phone triangulation works. His phone was not used (seemingly) after 03.08am to send a text message to someone who at this stage for me reamins unidenfitied. (I will not comment on the tit for tat toss up between a friend and family as its purely speculation)

- It is my understanding REF the update posted today, that Corrie was not with his phone when it travelled to the area of Barton Mills/Mildenhall if of course the mode of transportation is correct.

- Although I understand extensive CCTV has been reviewed, the reference to recycling does not quite match with the companies rota in this specific postcode region and has been brought to attention for further anaylsis.

- As many people remain unidentified on the CCTV, my feeling remains that one of them could still be Corrie.
For reasons I believe, mental health or otherwise, the need to get away can be over powering and whilst I do not believe for a second any malice or harm was meant by it, I could not begin to imagine how difficult it would be to come back at this stage.

Pets are used in a number of Therapy related cases, for comfort, responsibility and lonliness. I struggle to understand why he was left behind by friends travelling to BSE that night, or why the urge to drive over calling a taxi was provoked (besides the obvious money factor of course!)

None of my comments raised are meant with any undue stress, pressure or upset to the family, and I for one to not wish to speculate or snoop in areas that I have no knowledge of.

Just my thoughts and or discussion on the content of the update..

Thanks :)
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The call at 3:08 was in fact a pic message to a friend, carrying on from a conversation earlier in night. This has been confirmed under FAQS on Find Corrie website
 
While we were down, I got these quotes about the phone pings from Nicola on the FindCorrie page. I have edited them to remove references to the names of people she was replying to, but I don't think I made any other major edits. I can see that one of them might be slightly awkwardly worded, and that's the last post in the group that I'll post all together, I believe Nicola was saying that IF the phone connection to the mast went down and then the phone went dead but it was in a vehicle that kept on driving, then a vehicle could have driven out of the mast area with a dead phone, it's just a hypothetical that she's presenting, not a fact.

Anyway, here are the posts

It didn't ping at 0800 it was just before 0500 and the area is around 3-5 km so there isn't anything to exact about it xI'll have the wording changed on the Web site.... corrie was last seen at 0325 his phone left bury at 0430 and took 28 mins to get picked up by the micro mast at Barton mills but the phone its self could have been up to 5km away from the mast x


when a phone picks up on a mast it will stay there for 3 hours until it gets picked up on the next mast or it stays where it is. Corries phone has stopped working and has never been picked up anywhere else. But it certainly doesn't mean it stayed there.....hope that's clear now cos it confused me to bits x


Yes there can be a delay in the phone being picked up. If your on ee network and you drive from Bury to barton mills you will see your phone looses all signal for most the journey x


So although a massive amount of searching has been carried out in that area all ready. With new evidence coming to light. It appears it's not looking like corrie was with his phone. I can't come out and say that before I actually know for certain.


If corries phone was in a car. And was turned off in the area of barton mills but the car kept driving to the other side of the world and has never been turned on again. Meaning corries phone could be anywhere in the world.
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GB124 said:
All cars have been located but not said what is happening now with them. This is from Tony's latest update.
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Specifically, "Investigations into the other 3 vehicles from the 'Horseshoe' continue. Speculation about them would not be helpful at this stage. There is no need to speculate further on a 'silver car' at this point either."
 
Amonet said:
While we were down, I got these quotes about the phone pings from Nicola on the FindCorrie page. I have edited them to remove references to the names of people she was replying to, but I don't think I made any other major edits. I can see that one of them might be slightly awkwardly worded, and that's the last post in the group that I'll post all together, I believe Nicola was saying that IF the phone connection to the mast went down and then the phone went dead but it was in a vehicle that kept on driving, then a vehicle could have driven out of the mast area with a dead phone, it's just a hypothetical that she's presenting, not a fact.

Anyway, here are the posts
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I can't quote your summary but I can't see how the bit about a phone staying a mast for 3 hours is true unless she means that it will stay there if it doesn't move within 3 hours which I suppose would make sense.

My understanding would then be that the phone pinged the mast at 5am and then nothing was heard for another 3 hours so the possibilities are that it stayed still for 3 hours or stopped transmitting during those 3 hours and now could be anywhere - is that right?

It still doesn't fit with what I've read in other cases where it was possible to identify whether the phone run out of battery or was switched off but as these cases were in Amercia it may be that things work differently there
 
Am I right in thinking that if the cctv had only been checked up until 8 am on the Saturday morning then there is a 'chance' that once they have looked at the cctv after that time they will see Corrie walking out of there at, say, 8:30 am? Seems crazy that they've only checked up to 8am, though I can understand why from Tonys explanation.

im still struggling to get to grips with the fact that no family member/friend/colleague had thought it strange that they had heard nothing from Corrie via phone or social media until Monday morning. Especially considering he was actively texting/talking on the phone to people throughout the whole Friday up until even the early hours of Saturday morning.
 
cotswoldemmie said:
Hi maya90 Welcome!
Could I ask where the info came from that the bin company rota did not fit the postcode?
Do you mean they weren't scheduled to be there on that date/time?
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Thankyou!

Conversations with Biffa yieled the conclusive response that they do not collect Recycling from this area of Bury on a saturday morning.
They do collect from this area on a Saturday morning before 0600hrs however this is only general waste.

This does not tally with said upate regarding the contents or logistics.
 
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