Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

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If she was at the burlington qt and her phone pinged in parkville.. which who knows if that ping is true.. she went n west on 9 with or without someone.
 
If the car is not in a residential garage it is still in the river or brush. Area near parkville along Missouri is vast. One of the largest widest river valleys on the planet.
 
AceDetective said:
I said that I suspect that she thought she was being followed. And she may well have been, by the police car that pulled her over. It appears she turned left onto W 26 and pulled a u-turn. That would be what one might do if they thought they were being followed.

A few minutes later she pulled her tracking device...
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You can't do a U-turn at that intersection. Its illegal... You would have to take a left on 26, then pull a u-turn, then turn right back onto Burlington. I did this all the time when I wanted to access the Commerce Bank ATM on Burlington. You can't access it by the other side of Burlington so you have to do a 'modified' U-turn by taking a left, turning around, and taking a right. It was so annoying, but that ATM was very convenient and was available 24/7.

Who did Toni bank with again?

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I'll put the theory out there that she banked with Commerce Bank and she was in the northland to use that 24/7 ATM off of burlington. If you bank with commerce and use their ATM, there is no charge. If you use another ATM, you have to pay the ATM surcharge plus a charge from Commerce, which was annoying. Let's say that while doing that modified U-turn using 26th street, she got pulled over. The police officer directed her to QT where she tried to use the ATM (Non-commerce bank ATM), but failed. She still needed money, but wanted to get away from there to avoid getting pulled over again. She would then head to the next available Commerce Bank ATM, which is in... you guessed it: Parkville.

She didn't use the ATM there, but her phone did ping there, leading me to believe that something happened enroute to the Parkville ATM.parkville_atm_from_QTNKC.png
 
If you zoom in on the Parkville route, you can see where she could have fallen off the road. There are tons of bush there. You can fall off into the river on the left side or easily slide into a heavy bush area on the right. Include a possible sickness from the flu and suspect weather, I don't think it is out of the ordinary to fall off the road and crash. Its possible that she would have been extremely tired. Maybe she wanted to purchase some sort of illegal stimulant to help get her through the after party (JMO).


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AceDetective said:
I just deleted my comment a few posts back, as Pete did say Toni was adamant about going to a gas station. I didn't realize there was a video in the report. It just looks like a picture in my browser...

Anyway, Pete can be seen saying, "She had left work at 4:11 and she was adamant about going to a gas station."

According to the reporter, Pete cited Toni's boss as the source of this information. The reporter says, "Pete says that Toni's boss told him that after she left work, Toni was driving to this gas station at 31st and Southwest Boulevard."

So, okay, that sounds credible. You have to wonder, though, how and why she told her boss she was going to a particular QuikTrip, one that wasn't the closest QuikTrip. I mean, how did that conversation go?

"See ya Toni. Heading home?"

"Nah, I'm headed to the QuikTrip at 31st and Boulevard."

Something doesn't seem quite right here.

http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/17/friend...mans-text-shows-she-encountered-someone-evil/
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I agree. It's off. Most people would say I have to get gas. I think the exact gas station mention was deliberately stated. A red herring. JMO

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When I realize someone is lying to me or misdirecting me, I understand it's all moot. So I no longer focus on those things. jmo

I see very little that can be learned from what anyone said. You gotta start doing investigative work that goes beyond the statements, because those are purposefully meaning to divert you.

Also, nothing of what they say, matches with what she actually did. So it's not whether the club owner or her friends or her coworkers are lying/deceiving, it's just simply why.

Drugs? prostitution? any others?
 
It kind of reminds me of the oldest trick in the book :

"which way did he go??"

"that way!" -->pointing in the wrong direction

You can just keep going that way if you like, but it's the wrong way. simple as that.
 
Zooming in on another section of the Parkville route, there are plenty of other areas in which she could have fallen off the road. In this case, fallen down hill into the bush.


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PokeyMeansBusiness said:
You can't do a U-turn at that intersection. Its illegal... You would have to take a left on 26, then pull a u-turn, then turn right back onto Burlington. I did this all the time when I wanted to access the Commerce Bank ATM on Burlington. You can't access it by the other side of Burlington so you have to do a 'modified' U-turn by taking a left, turning around, and taking a right. It was so annoying, but that ATM was very convenient and was available 24/7.

Who did Toni bank with again?

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I'll have to look into this ATM thing later. No time at the moment. But that's what I was saying... she turned left from Burlington onto W 26, drove a little ways, and then pulled a u-turn. The narrator for the surveillance video says the cop pulled a u-turn to get in behind her. How could he have seen her unless he followed her that way?

But she clearly tried to use her atm card at the QuikTrip, not wherever you're saying...
 
AceDetective said:
I'll have to look into this ATM thing later. No time at the moment. But that's what I was saying... she turned left from Burlington onto W 26, drove a little ways, and then pulled a u-turn. The narrator for the surveillance video says the cop pulled a u-turn to get in behind her. How could he have seen her unless he followed her that way?

But she clearly tried to use her atm card at the QuikTrip, not wherever you're saying...
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O but she wanted to. The QuikTrip ATM is a private ATM that charges a surcharge on top of whatever the bank pays. If you were a commerce bank customer, you would want to use the commerce bank ATM, which does not charge anything if you are a commerce bank customer. She was probably scared of the cop and just wanted to get out of there. She went ahead and tried that ATM, but it failed for whatever reason, possibly for too large of withdrawal. I've used that ATM there before and I don't recall an option to look at your bank balance for free like a commerce ATM would provide. At that point, her options are to go to the ATM across the street or to the next closest one (Parkville). Since the one across the street is visible from QT and given that she just wanted to get away from the cop, she headed to Parkville.
 
PokeyMeansBusiness said:
O but she wanted to. The QuikTrip ATM is a private ATM that charges a surcharge on top of whatever the bank pays. If you were a commerce bank customer, you would want to use the commerce bank ATM, which does not charge anything if you are a commerce bank customer. She was probably scared of the cop and just wanted to get out of there. She went ahead and tried that ATM, but it failed for whatever reason, possibly for too large of withdrawal. I've used that ATM there before and I don't recall an option to look at your bank balance for free like a commerce ATM would provide. At that point, her options are to go to the ATM across the street or to the next closest one (Parkville). Since the one across the street is visible from QT and given that she just wanted to get away from the cop, she headed to Parkville.
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But isn't it just a small fee? Who's going to drive miles to avoid a small fee?
 
AceDetective said:
Well that's just what I was alluding to. It seems highly unlikely that she told her boss "I'm headed to the QuikTrip at 31st and Southwest Boulevard." It is more likely he (the boss or P) is distorting the truth in some way. It's close to the truth, but it's not what she said.
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Agreed. Unless this person asked her to do something else after work and she said she can't or fibbed to get out of his request. Maybe he didn't like her answer and follows her?
Seems a lot of the info put out there is coming from this source. The information doesn't make sense and when stuff doesn't make sense I don't like it...
 
AceDetective said:
But isn't it just a small fee? Who's going to drive miles to avoid a small fee?
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Its the ATM surcharge + what the bank charges you. It can add up to 5-6 bucks. She is a 20 year old girl. She isn't rich. I have done the same thing several times myself.
 
BaileyC said:
Is it true the Police Officer that pulled her over did escort her into the QT and that he stayed and watched her pump gas and leave? That sounds very unusual, why would he do that? Did she tell him she thought someone was following her? Did he suspect her of something other than a wrong lane change? Did he relay a message to her?
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Why would a traffic stop last "literally a minute"?? (according to Snapp)
It takes a while to run plates, talk to the driver, issue a warning, etc...
So he talks to her for a millisecond, allows her to go get gas and then what? nothing?
Never finished the original traffic stop?
all weird
 
heartgoesout said:
Why would a traffic stop last "literally a minute"?? (according to Snapp)
It takes a while to run plates, talk to the driver, issue a warning, etc...
So he talks to her for a millisecond, allows her to go get gas and then what? nothing?
Never finished the original traffic stop?
all weird
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I do agree that it is weird. I have been pulled over 4-5 times in NKC and it took around 5-10 minutes each time. However, NKC cops never seemed very sketchy to me. None of them gave me a hard time. Perhaps it was due to my good looks and professionalism. I can't be for certain, however.
 
To all those outside of KC. Look up KC mob and historic control of strip industry. These are not guys anyone screws with. Google shady lady , chrome or 60 years ago.
. Ya get it... geez.
 
My opinion is that what happened to her and why she was in parkville (if she was) has zero to do with banking. She might have stopped in a bank while there, but she wasn't there for the purpose of banking.

Rather easy for them to check the video at her bank in parkville, I'd hope that was done long ago if that was a possibility.
 
PokeyMeansBusiness said:
Its the ATM surcharge + what the bank charges you. It can add up to 5-6 bucks. She is a 20 year old girl. She isn't rich. I have done the same thing several times myself.
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I doubt she drove out to NKC solely to use the Commerce Bank ATM, as there were much closer ones.

However, I do agree that your theory regarding why she turned onto W 26 is better than mine. She probably was planning to use that ATM.

Which makes me wonder... at the end of that surveillance clip, Toni turns on her right blinker. Is it possible she drove to that ATM and tried to use it before heading over to the QuikTrip? That would make a lot of sense. That would explain the cop watching her. For her safety. I bet she did. It also explains officer Snapp saying that the QuikTrip surveillance video only shows her pumping gas and leaving.

edit: with her card declined, there would be no reason to go to another ATM, would there?
 
Tssiemer said:
I'm trying to think of some famous no body guilty verdicts. Charli Scott in Hawaii comes to mind. They only found her jaw bone but that's still some part of the body.


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There was a case in Lubbock, TX that has become quite well known for a murder conviction without a body - especially since Texas has a law that requires a body to file murder charges. In May of 1991, Scott Dunn was reported missing by his father. When the apartment was examined there was a large amount of blood found in the bedroom, a suspicious removal of carpet in the bedroom replaced with carpet from under the couch in the living room, and inconsistent and improbable stories from the victim's girlfriend.

However, with the help of the Vidocq Society, the victim's father, Jim Dunn, was able to prove his son, Scott Dunn, was murdered based on the volume of blood that was found in his apartment. The forensic specialists in the Vidocq Society were able to convince LE and prosecutors that Scott Dunn couldn't possibly still be alive with the amount of blood that was found in the apartment, which DNA testing had proven the blood to be Scott Dunn's. So the volume of blood negated the need to locate Scott Dunn's body because the amount of blood was proof he was dead and stood in place of locating his body.

The son's roommate and girlfriend, Leisha Hamilton, and the man she was having an affair with (or leading on - accounts vary), Tim Smith, were both found guilty of Dunn's murder. It was nearly 21 years to the day of Dunn's disappearance (and 15 years after the murder convictions) before his body was located in 2012, only yards from his apartment. I've attached a link to an article about this case.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/10/former_yardley_pa_man_is_final.html



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