IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #20

ab01 said:

I still wonder if there is anything we can discern from the fact where their bodies were found?

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mpnola said:

Snipped by me. Actually, I do. I think it has to do with many geographical reasons. Reasons he already knew about because he has scouted this area and this land and created a perfect scenario for himself.

As you can see from Bob's great maps, this is an area that is surrounded by "hills". In order to run, they would have to climb or cross water. He basically placed them in the bottom of a bowl. But there are areas he could walk back to with his vehicle placed. And it was not very visible from houses or the bridge. I am also willing to bet that if we got depths of the creek, it is shallow or thin, somewhere right near this spot. I also think the land was flat enough for him to be able to "work". I think it was very planned. I will link a few things to look at. As you will see, I am kind of obsessed with Bob Saccamano's work on maps. I haven't seen him post much, since the threads started moving at lightning speed, but it was really good work that is helpful for everyone to look at (I hope you don't mind me linking so much, Bob!). I am convinced that bridge guy knew this area well from studying it. He didn't just "happen" on this perfect spot.

topography map:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13176055#post13176055

Bob Saccamano's map of hills:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13174585#post13174585

His map of where cars would no longer be able to park:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13174629#post13174629

3 maps he did all together:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-6&p=13167569#post13167569

He even did access points on that road by the cemetery:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-4&p=13160379#post13160379

And here is a collaboration of possible paths:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13174501#post13174501

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Avejajed said:

A few days ago on SM someone posted two or three new pictures this person said was given to them, and it looked to be a different angle, closer up of the BG. I was not able to follow up on that and now I can't find the post but I wondered if any of you had seen that and what ever became of them? I couldn't tell if they were new pictures or just photoshopped old ones.

Or I guess I could have dreamed it.

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AFTM said:

I want to put this to rest Abby was an only child. Liberty was raised by grandparents siblings were younger....

No children need to feel bad about ANYTHING


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mpnola said:

Snipped by me. Actually, I do. I think it has to do with many geographical reasons. Reasons he already knew about because he has scouted this area and this land and created a perfect scenario for himself.

As you can see from Bob's great maps, this is an area that is surrounded by "hills". In order to run, they would have to climb or cross water. He basically placed them in the bottom of a bowl. But there are areas he could walk back to with his vehicle placed. And it was not very visible from houses or the bridge. I am also willing to bet that if we got depths of the creek, it is shallow or thin, somewhere right near this spot. I also think the land was flat enough for him to be able to "work". I think it was very planned. I will link a few things to look at. As you will see, I am kind of obsessed with Bob Saccamano's work on maps. I haven't seen him post much, since the threads started moving at lightning speed, but it was really good work that is helpful for everyone to look at (I hope you don't mind me linking so much, Bob!). I am convinced that bridge guy knew this area well from studying it. He didn't just "happen" on this perfect spot.

topography map:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13176055#post13176055

Bob Saccamano's map of hills:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13174585#post13174585

His map of where cars would no longer be able to park:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13174629#post13174629

3 maps he did all together:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-6&p=13167569#post13167569

He even did access points on that road by the cemetery:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-4&p=13160379#post13160379

And here is a collaboration of possible paths:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-9&p=13174501#post13174501

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paris_paris said:

Totally off topic...

I downloaded tapatalk for my phone. Played with it a bit while logged into websleuths. It's OK.

Now I'm on my latptop, and went to next page on this thread and the whole page looks weird and yellow I don't like it at all!

Any ideas?

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Avejajed said:

A few days ago on SM someone posted two or three new pictures this person said was given to them, and it looked to be a different angle, closer up of the BG. I was not able to follow up on that and now I can't find the post but I wondered if any of you had seen that and what ever became of them? I couldn't tell if they were new pictures or just photoshopped old ones.

Or I guess I could have dreamed it.

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Soulmagent said:

I thought it was Liiberty's older sister who dropped them off. Not that anyone should have guilt.

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rsd1200 said:

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I'm still of the belief that he catfished one, or both, online. It's possible that he was to meet only one of the girls, but she brought a friend for safety. With that trail being where it was, in the middle of a normal workday, there was very little likelihood that he'd meet up with very many people. I think he scouted them out online, then scouted the location out online, and with their help (Where's a good place we can hang out? I don't have school that day either. I want to meet you to get to know you better.). Then, I think he visited the location. Walked the woods and picked out a general spot that was out of line of site from the bridge, and the homes. The woods right now are not thick. I can navigate the woods on my property fairly easily right now. In the early spring as well, but by summer, even following deer trails can get tough. You can't see where to place your footing. This time of year, he could take them across the properties and no one would see them. The going wouldn't be nearly as rough as it would be right down on the creek side (at least as it appears on the maps). He knew when they'd be dropped off. He most likely knew the story they told their family to get to be dropped at the bridge, and knew about how much time he had. No one even started worrying until around 5ish. They could walk from the bridge to the spot where they were found in probably 1/2 to 3/4 hour. He had all the time he needed. Sorry for the book, but I just feel strongly that he's lured these girls from the internet. It's gotten common for predators to seek their prey there. They have the same maps and data that we have at our disposal.

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Hatfield said:

Or lets say he was a transient SK. Maybe he was sleeping for a few days in the nearby woods camping out until he decided to kill that day and then leave the area on foot.

He may have stayed long enough to learn the area pretty well to know to bring him close to where he was sleeping and knew nobody was ever around to bother him.

I dont think LE found any sign of him building a campfire or anything. At least not that we know of.

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Nellsbells said:

I can understand that but the problem is that in his composite he looks like literally at least a quarter of his fellow Hoosiers in his age bracket. That is if he a Hoosier. There are somemagnificent artists (thinking of the sculptor in the John List case) who could take away some of the generic mask that I believe he"s wearing and using to his advantage. Sorry for the typos, Is in need of another exorcism

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MrBosox78 said:

If these are the pics I'm thinking of they were deleted. Someone had photographed the images of BG off their computer monitor at different angles.

It is basically manipulating a photo as you get light reflection off the monitor screen, distortion, etc.

MOO

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ocgrad said:

I lived in OK but my Territory for 12 years was MO AR LA TX. I traveled to many places regularly and knew the sites sometimes better than many locals because I often had time to kill after a last call not wanting to go directly to a hotel. I like to trail walk and fish, I like historic places. Many of the companies I called on were in small towns so it was often those off the beaten path kind of places I checked out. I'm friendly so there were people in those places who would have recognized me, my customers for sure, also people at gas, restaurants, hotels. Someone can regularly come through an area with extra time in which they become familiar with local sites. And someone would see him, but maybe never out of the truck or maybe always dressed in a uniform or camo so they just are not connecting him. Maybe he went into a command mode with the girls, one of power and control whereas he never speaks to the dispatcher or warehouse receiving clerk in that manner so they are not connecting him.
Just another possibility.

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ocgrad said:

I lived in OK but my Territory for 12 years was MO AR LA TX. I traveled to many places regularly and knew the sites sometimes better than many locals because I often had time to kill after a last call not wanting to go directly to a hotel. I like to trail walk and fish, I like historic places. Many of the companies I called on were in small towns so it was often those off the beaten path kind of places I checked out. I'm friendly so there were people in those places who would have recognized me, my customers for sure, also people at gas, restaurants, hotels. Someone can regularly come through an area with extra time in which they become familiar with local sites. And someone would see him, but maybe never out of the truck or maybe always dressed in a uniform or camo so they just are not connecting him. Maybe he went into a command mode with the girls, one of power and control whereas he never speaks to the dispatcher or warehouse receiving clerk in that manner so they are not connecting him.
Just another possibility.

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layer said:

It was, and the people blaming innocent family members for the evil acts of a d-bag have no grace.

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No it's not said:

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I believe now, that the POI was in the process of pulling a knife from his right possible sheath (brown area on his right side)
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No it's not said:

I am sorry to suggest this, but it is very possible, that this may be the reason LE cannot reveal more of the video/audio. It is only my opinion, nothing else. We remember LE talking about the "criminal activity, that is about to occur".

I believe now, that the POI was in the process of pulling a knife from his right possible sheath (brown area on his right side). If you look back at the gif (thank you to the poster!) .I think we can all agree, that the POI is making a turn or at least rotating counter clockwise to some degree, possibly moving towards Libby ( she was supposedly recording the POI on her cell phone, unless Abby was filming Libby at that point..).

Look at the shiny area around the POI's right hand moving back and forth. Can you see it?
( gif not my work)

That shiny area, that looks like a watch (as I previously suggested) looks now like it is two parts:

This could very well still be just a watch, or a watch and a knife, or just a knife, something like this, where the end of the knife shows the metal end:

I am afraid, there is the possibility IMO, that the POI possibly pulled a knife, while charging towards Libby, who was possibly standing and video recording from somewhere towards the E side of the bridge (platform?). What happened next can only be another guess. Very sad.

IMO the POI looks like he was fully prepared and the poor girls did not have a chance. It may have happened so fast, no way to call 911. How Libby managed to record the video/audio or wherever the phone landed to still record the audio/video is truly heroic and a miracle in itself.

-Nin

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