Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

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also odd that he follows up the chunks of hair comment with "like they" interesting early insight into multiple people being involved if you ask me
"They" is often used when speaking of someone of unknown gender, and unknown a lot of things. It's often used in the singular even though it's not correct form (although there is discussion that it might be used properly in this way in the future, particularly for folks who want a genderless pronoun used. I have been using it when posting here when I do not want to reveal the gender of someone I am referring to because I know people understand my meaning.)

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I believe that when the Feds say they are investigating a "matter" it means they feel that no crime has been committed. JMO

Hmm. That's interesting. It feels like that slides me over one side of the fence more.
 
Do the Papinis attend a church and if so, which one?
 
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html
What I found most interesting in this article from 10/25/2017:

Jackson, the detective, said Wednesday he hopes the newly released details, FBI sketches and a $10,000 reward will generate tips that will prove more fruitful than the more than 600 others detectives have received since last year.

He suggested more information is about to be released. “There’s some additional information that we’re hoping to put out in the next months or weeks, once we get through this week’s events,” Jackson said.
 
Not to mention, why would two low-level sex trafficking dealers be driving around in Sherri's neighborhood?

That rural area has a lot of shady drug dealers, meth especially, and illegal weapons traders etc. And a lot of illegal marijuana grows.


http://time.com/6729/10-cities-where-violent-crime-is-soaring/

10 Cities Where Violent Crime Is Soaring[ 2014]

5. Redding, Calif.
> 5-year increase in violent crime rate: 53.8%
> Violent crime per 100,000 (2007): 470.2
> Violent crime per 100,000 (2012): 723.4
> Murders per 100,000: 3.9


for example:
The overall crime rate in Redding is 82 percent higher than the national average.
For every 100,000 people there are 14.24 daily crimes that occur in Redding.
Redding is safer than 11 percent of the cities in the United States.
In Redding you have a 1 in 20 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.
The number of total year-over-year crimes in Redding has increased by 5 percent.


http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/sh...tics-in-redding-circle-social-media/594364968

There were 1,298 violent crimes in the Redding metro area in 2012, up from 851 violent crimes in 2007. On a standardized, per 100,000 resident basis, violent crime rose more than 53% in that time. Additionally, property crimes rose by more than 50%, the most of any metro area reviewed, despite a nationwide 12.7% decline in such crimes during that time. According to the Redding Record Searchlight, some area residents believe that the area’s high crime rates may be related to marijuana cultivation. Officials in Shasta County — which makes up the Redding metro area — recently elected to ban outdoor growing, although the city of Redding is not included in the ban.
 
Do the Papinis attend a church and if so, which one?

I’m not sure if they currently belong to a church but on her wedding blog she said they are both catholic and were married in a Catholic Church. I don’t think they have ever attended bethel.
 
Do the Papinis attend a church and if so, which one?
Not sure, but the Gamble the kidnapping guy has connections to Bethel Church...

Gamble describes himself as a kidnap and ransom consultant and is connected to Bethel Church's missions.*

http://www.abc10.com/mobile/article...-about-sherri-papinis-disappearance/362643627

Bethel has a bit of a cultish reputation.

People associated with Bethel, including the pastor, have made many statements about miracles and healing that have supposedly taken place at the church, including gold dust falling from the roof[1]and people being brought back from the dead.[11]*Church leaders have repeatedly refused to provide evidence to the public or the media to support their claims though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_Church_(Redding,_California)

http://archive.redding.com/opinion/...ing-on-at-bethel-ep-375389122-354590731.html/


So more general weirdness.

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Do you have factual support? I’m able to find numerous examples of FBI press releases which use the phrase “in this matter,” including violent crimes. For example: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fiel...-springs-ga--chattanooga-tn-armed-bank-robber

Yes but in those they also list the actual crime and describe the suspects as criminals responsible for the crime. For example, in your link, they discuss a "bank robbery", "suspect" and "individual responsible for a...bank robbery."

None of that is present here. Not close.
 
I’m not sure if they currently belong to a church but on her wedding blog she said they are both catholic and were married in a Catholic Church. I don’t think they have ever attended bethel.


You knew where I was going.
 
Yes but in those they also list the actual crime and describe the suspects as criminals responsible for the crime. For example, in your link, they discuss a "bank robbery", "suspect" and "individual responsible for a...bank robbery."

None of that is present here. Not close.
So what? If the terminology is meaningful (as you’re implying), then the FBI would be careful to abide by the distinctions in official statements whenever they use the term. But, clearly, they do not. More likely, there is nothing significant about the use (or absence) of the term. Regardless, the harder someone squeezes a detail to make it mean what they want it to mean, the more skeptical I become about their whole argument. In this case, it looks like a house of straw.
 
Do the Papinis attend a church and if so, which one?

The VI answered questions twice about whether Papini's ever attended Bethel:

Classy1:
Do the Papini's have any connection to the Bethel Church?

Lake16:
None that I am aware of. I have never heard them discuss attending services there or commenting on it one way or the other.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ng-2-November-2016-16&p=12984824#post12984824

Starkville:
Question for Lake: Did the Papinis belong to Bethel Church? Is the only link to Cameron Gamble via the Jeters?

Lake16:
I've answered this one before, but to restate: I do not believe they have ever attended a Bethel Church "mass" or whatever they refer to them as. I have also never heard them discuss the Bethel Church. Perhaps I'm mistaken but that is my impression.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ng-2-November-2016-19&p=12995727#post12995727

The VI's use of the word "mass" leads me to believe they are Catholic (or at least the VI may be Catholic). JMO.
 
Yes but in those they also list the actual crime and describe the suspects as criminals responsible for the crime. For example, in your link, they discuss a "bank robbery", "suspect" and "individual responsible for a...bank robbery."

None of that is present here. Not close.

Yes! It's like the subtlety of Person Of Interest vs Suspect. They are both handled differently in a legal sense I think.. So if we look at the FBI Most Wanted website under "seeking information" there are several categories there.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-information

Looking at the difference between these 2 "unknown individuals" and the "unknown suspect" in the Delphi murders;
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-individuals/@@download.pdf

Kind of only hinting at the severity of their involvement;
The two individuals depicted may have information regarding this matter.
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Compared to the Delphi Suspect ;
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-suspect-2/@@download.pdf

Very straightforward and dpecific;
"During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the aforementioned person is suspected of being involved in the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams.

IMO it shows the stage they are at in classifying why they are seeking this information. They are not yet calling them Persons Of Interest.

The Delphi suspect was originally "a person who might have information"

JMO
 
I’m not sure if they currently belong to a church but on her wedding blog she said they are both catholic and were married in a Catholic Church. I don’t think they have ever attended bethel.
Wasn't she married before? You can't get married in the Catholic church if you have divorced and your ex spouse is still alive, unless you get an annulment, and those take time and can be difficult to get.

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Wasn't she married before? You can't get married in the Catholic church if you have divorced and your ex spouse is still alive, unless you get an annulment, and those take time and can be difficult to get.

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I found the blog. She did state that they were getting married in the Catholic church. Her first marriage had to be anulled, then. While this isn't as difficult as it once was, it's still not easy, not certain, and not common. I'm pretty shocked, actually. I have many divorced friends who have not been allowed to remarry in the Catholic church. Only one out of dozens I know even attempted to get an annulment.

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So what? If the terminology is meaningful (as you’re implying), then the FBI would be careful to abide by the distinctions in official statements whenever they use the term. But, clearly, they do not. More likely, there is nothing significant about the use (or absence) of the term. Regardless, the harder someone squeezes a detail to make it mean what they want it to mean, the more skeptical I become about their whole argument. In this case, it looks like a house of straw.
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You're absolutely right. I won't play that game with you!
 
In light of the male DNA, pulling this up from last year...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lue-pick-truck-rest-stop-just-days-found.html

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If any part of this is true, then SP has some explaining to do, because she has expressed that she has only been with two Latino women.

Sheriff Bosenko ruled that out as a false sighting:

The Sheriff also ruled out the account of witness Christine Everson who claimed to have seen Papini with two men at a Redding truck stop.

Marketing Director Everson claimed to have spoken to a woman who strongly resembled Papini and looked 'scared'.

But the Sheriff added: 'After she was abducted, Miss Papini was driven to an unknown location which would have been not at the truck stop and she would not have been contacted by anybody because this particular reporting person (RP) said that she spoke to the woman and that didn't occur.'
 
Yes! It's like the subtlety of Person Of Interest vs Suspect. They are both handled differently in a legal sense I think.. So if we look at the FBI Most Wanted website under "seeking information" there are several categories there.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-information

Looking at the difference between these 2 "unknown individuals" and the "unknown suspect" in the Delphi murders;
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-individuals/@@download.pdf

Kind of only hinting at the severity of their involvement;

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Compared to the Delphi Suspect ;
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-suspect-2/@@download.pdf

Very straightforward and dpecific;


IMO it shows the stage they are at in classifying why they are seeking this information. They are not yet calling them Persons Of Interest.

The Delphi suspect was originally "a person who might have information"

JMO

Thanks for that detailed explanation! Very informative.
 
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