Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.01.17 - Day 8

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winter2017 said:
Does everyone think that MS s lawyer will say that DM killed LB, he had more reason too, and MS had none, and MS just helped him dispose of the body? MS it looks like did not really know LB so he would have no reason to be involved in killing her, only to help DM dispose of the body.
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There was some pretty damning testimony at the beginning of this trial, from witnesses who had heard MS's rap and had spoken to him about it.
 
caseyjonesin905 clearly one of those black suitcases has to belong to Laura.
 
billandrew said:
I have not really kept track of that stuff. The timing of a lot of pre-2012 info is fuzzy and I don't think I can present it in a meaningful way.

One thing on my bucket list is to add events from post-May 2013 as I think there are some revealing things there. For example, the date that MWJ was arrested on drugs charges in Jan 2014, and the dates that charges were laid in relation to Babcock and Wayne Millard. Also dates like when Deepak Paradkhar was no longer representing Millard. I would love to see all of this stuff mapped out on the timeline. Eventually!
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A few of us made snippets of timelines here and there not necessarily footnoted from reports though. Found this one today which is also helpful:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tina-Noudga-Accessory&p=10777407#post10777407
 
Laura Babcock had ‘extreme anxiety,’ lived with intense fear of death since childhood, court hears

It took an Ontario prosecutor 10 minutes to read through a lifetime of pain for Laura Babcock.

Jill Cameron walked the jury in the murder trial through the young woman's mental-health records, which detailed more than a dozen visits to specialists in the year leading up to her disappearance in the summer of 2012.

"She feels no one loves or cares about her," reads a note from a psychiatrist at Toronto's St. Joseph's Health Centre on April 29, 2012.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...36800886/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
 
billandrew said:
I have not really kept track of that stuff. The timing of a lot of pre-2012 info is fuzzy and I don't think I can present it in a meaningful way.

One thing on my bucket list is to add events from post-May 2013 as I think there are some revealing things there. For example, the date that MWJ was arrested on drugs charges in Jan 2014, and the dates that charges were laid in relation to Babcock and Wayne Millard. Also dates like when Deepak Paradkhar was no longer representing Millard. I would love to see all of this stuff mapped out on the timeline. Eventually!
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I know that folks say your timeline is available by clicking your signature, but I don't see your signature on my ipad, so I had to look for your timeline. Just in case anyone else is looking for it and can't find it, here's the link. Your timeline is indispensable. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hb6kEtpLa8cHCVorBuy4yqfHymGvhfHeM6s8QMWGVW8/pubhtml
 
According to Shannon Martin on the CBC Live show, tomorrow we will hear from cell phone experts who tracked LB's phone along with DM and MS's phones. All three phones were together in the same location before her phone went silent for the last time.
 
Did anyone see that horrid rap video that MS was supposedly acting in which has been taken down? The "director" says it was made in 2012. I recall a brunette girl in it and it looked pretty real to me. I can't help but wonder if that was the urgency--time to tape the video and then put her chopped pieces into suitcases until the incinerator arrived and was working. http://www.metronews.ca/news/hamilt...eo-was-just-acting-alleged-producer-says.html
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Claroon said:
Did anyone see that horrid rap video that MS was supposedly acting in which has been taken down? The "director" says it was made in 2012. I recall a brunette girl in it and it looked pretty real to me. I can't help but wonder if that was the urgency--time to tape the video and then put her chopped pieces into suitcases until the incinerator arrived and was working. http://www.metronews.ca/news/hamilt...eo-was-just-acting-alleged-producer-says.html
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I remember speculation saying it was snuff but nothing more came of it

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Jealoushe said:
So from my personal experience, my Guinea Pig died and was supposed to be buried, but my ex bf never got around to it...it was in a container with the lid slightly open, by day 2 it was completely liquefied, by day 3...well you don't even want to know. It was about that temperature. She would have been only bones by the time week 3 came around. It's not a pretty sight.
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Who has the stomach for that? Ugh

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I am glad they will begin to give some of the cell phone records that should be interesting.
 
I think I did view it and then it was taken down, it was gruesome and they said acting I don't know. I mentioned it to people and they said it was all acting. Now what I know of MS I don't know it was bad.
 
gremlingrrl said:
Feb 2012 was when the ***** really started hitting the fan, with CN learning of LB's renewed involvement with DM, and presumably when CN started putting pressure on DM and/or making ultimatums.
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Here's a different perspective and of course MOO.
Maybe it was CN who was threatening to spills the beans on DM's illegal activities - perhaps only threats but none the less. CN was pressuring M to remove LB from their lives or she (CN) would talk.
 
Jealoushe said:
So from my personal experience, my Guinea Pig died and was supposed to be buried, but my ex bf never got around to it...it was in a container with the lid slightly open, by day 2 it was completely liquefied, by day 3...well you don't even want to know. It was about that temperature. She would have been only bones by the time week 3 came around. It's not a pretty sight.
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I had the privilege of working in an office a couple doors down from the Morgue in a Hospital for a few years. During the summer months Gus would come over with his jar of Vicks and tell me that I may want to put some under my nose today. This was normally when someone had been a few days to a few weeks in the heat before being discovered.
 
billandrew said:
  • Feb 10, Millard is acquiring the gun(s).
  • Feb 12, the catty messages between Noudga & Babcock.
  • Feb 14, Millard takes a photo of a gun.
  • Mar 11, Smich takes a photo of a gun.
  • Apr ??, Millard writes about "removing her from our lives".
  • May ??, Millard asks Michalski to keep tabs on Babcock.
  • May 16, Millard tells Schlatman he's going to want him to build an incinerator.
  • Jun 18, they get quotes on the Eliminator. Millard sounds anxious. They officially order it within a few days.
  • Jul 3, Schlatman is notified that the Eliminator cleared the border and is "on the road" to the hangar.
  • Jul 3, Babcock is allegedly murdered in the evening or early morning July 4.
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Something must have happened between CN and LB in April for DM to send that 'removing her from our lives' text message. I can't imagine he just fired that out of the blue unless CN just wouldn't let it go for months.
 
After murdering LB why wouldn't DM use LB's phone to call several people from her contacts list? Just to muddy the waters for detectives on the trial? Didn't he think it would look bad he was the last one she contacted? Call some ppl just to leave a decoy trial and then discard the phone. So why? Does it once again come back to simply stupid? Luckily for him the word stupid also applied to the police.
 
Night_is_Mine said:
After murdering LB why wouldn't DM use LB's phone to call several people from her contacts list? Just to muddy the waters for detectives on the trial? Didn't he think it would look bad he was the last one she contacted? Call some ppl just to leave a decoy trial and then discard the phone. So why? Does it once again come back to simply stupid? Luckily for him the word stupid also applied to the police.
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he wasn't the smartest in school, and in crime either!
 
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