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By my info, 6/15 is the single highest frequency of pings on the tower located SW of Anthony home @ 28.4691667 N 81.2916667 W

Pings on this tower:

6/14 = 6
6/15 = 26
6/17 = 2
6/27 = 1
7/1 = 1
7/16 = 6

I'm very curious as to why this tower receives so much activity on 6/15. This was the day of the fight @ the Anthony home. By observation, the other two towers nearest the Anthony home carry almost all of the cell traffic when Casey is known to physically be @ the home. Some FWIW thoughts:
  • Same tower serves cell traffic on early morning 7/16 when Casey would be escorted by LE to Sawgrass, etc. This tower is on the logical path from the Anthony home to Sawgrass Apt. area.
  • Did Casey go for a drive 6/15PM to get away from the Anthony home, and/or was she scouting this area?
  • This area is of interest to LP, et.al. owing to the 6/27 ping and timing of visit to Anthony home that morning
 
Total Activity OnCell Tower 11
Lee Vista & Goldenrod 2 mi SW of Anthony Home
6/15/08

1:15AM-1:36AM
INCOMING TEXT 1:15 AM short number text? To Casey A.
INCOMING TEXT 1:36 AM From Tony L. To Casey A.

8:14PM- 10:43PM
INCOMING TEXT 8:14 PM .
INCOMING TEXT 8:14 PM From Amy H. To Casey A..
UNKNOWN 8:14 PM From Casey A. To Tony L.
OUTGOING TEXT 8:19 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:21 PM From Tony L. To Casey A.
OUTGOING TEXT 8:23 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
OUTGOING TEXT 8:33 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:40 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING CALL 8:48 PM From Casey A. To Unknown
INCOMING TEXT 8:51 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 8:53 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 8:54 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:56 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:07 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 9:08 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:10 PM short number text? From Casey A.
INCOMING TEXT 9:16 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:25 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 9:26 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 9:26 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 10:43 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
 
From the Calendar


Father's Day
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Amy does not SEE Casey 10-30 June

June 10-30 Amy did not see Casey only heard from her with phone and text
Page 1041 Lines 14-16 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
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Brian B. Says: He was on vacation from 6/10-6/16; arrived home at 6:00PM

June 10-16 Brian B. was away on vacation with his family in Chicago arriving back home about 6:00PM.
Page 1385 Lines 23-25 & Page 1386 Lines 1-2, 11-12
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KC and AH Text Messages 6/15/2008

KC AH So I'm gonna job hunt tom wee

AH KC 06/15 8:15 PM Good stuff love!

KC AH I think I have cramps for the first time in 3 years. This sucks! I forgot how much it hurts.

KC AH So I'm not feeling good so I'm just going to crash at the boys. I’ll call in the morning.
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Cindy and Caylee visit great grandpa

Caylee and Cindy visit grandpa, stayed after to eat Chilli at grandma's.
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Cindy & Casey have giant fight

neighbor said & LP implied female body guard has knowledge
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Troy B. Says: He was in D.C. (northern Viginia)

June 11-18 Troy is in D.C. actually Northern Virginia is home.
Page 1326 Lines 1-2, 6-9 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
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Does anyone know who has the phone number (904) **4-1704? I'd really like to know who Casey received a text from immediately before she cut off her phone for the night on at 2:00 am on 6/15 and who she texted back first thing in the morning (at 6:32 am) on 6/15. She had also texted that person late at night, just before midnight, on 6/14. She also seems to be receiving an unusual number of unidentified texts on 6/15, a pattern that doesn't seem to be repeated on other days.

Finally, it looks like someone at home might have called her at 2:30, but she let it go to voicemail. Then, she calls back and talks to someone at home at 5:00 but doesn't seem to go anywhere near home until closer to 7:00. I wonder whether at that point the fight had already happened, or was this the precipitating event. Did CA learn something from her mom that caused the fight when she got back from the nursing home?

And, does it seem strange to anyone else that KC starts texting AL at 7:06, but the pings put her right there? Does she text him on the way out his door? In the parking lot? Or was she somewhere else, with someone else, that hasn't occurred to anyone?

And, though the pings place her near home, I find it extremely hard to believe that she walks in the door of the A's house, where she hasn't seen her daughter all day, and immediately begins to text almost non-stop for the next 6 hours. She didn't have time to put Caylee to bed, much less have a fight during that time frame.

So, what do people think about WHEN the fight occurred? Could it have been before CA and Caylee left that morning?
 
worriedmom said:
Does anyone know who has the phone number (904) **4-1704? I'd really like to know who Casey received a text from immediately before she cut off her phone for the night on at 2:00 am on 6/15 and who she texted back first thing in the morning (at 6:32 am) on 6/15. She had also texted that person late at night, just before midnight, on 6/14. She also seems to be receiving an unusual number of unidentified texts on 6/15, a pattern that doesn't seem to be repeated on other days.

Finally, it looks like someone at home might have called her at 2:30, but she let it go to voicemail. Then, she calls back and talks to someone at home at 5:00 but doesn't seem to go anywhere near home until closer to 7:00. I wonder whether at that point the fight had already happened, or was this the precipitating event. Did CA learn something from her mom that caused the fight when she got back from the nursing home?

And, does it seem strange to anyone else that KC starts texting AL at 7:06, but the pings put her right there? Does she text him on the way out his door? In the parking lot? Or was she somewhere else, with someone else, that hasn't occurred to anyone?

And, though the pings place her near home, I find it extremely hard to believe that she walks in the door of the A's house, where she hasn't seen her daughter all day, and immediately begins to text almost non-stop for the next 6 hours. She didn't have time to put Caylee to bed, much less have a fight during that time frame.

So, what do people think about WHEN the fight occurred? Could it have been before CA and Caylee left that morning?
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1) have the 1704 as Kyle K. from another poster. I dunno his connection, but, he appears only on 6/14 & 6/15 when looking at the period 6/14 through 7/17.

2) The epass records suggest Cindy & Caylee returned from Mt. Dora sometime after 2:33PM (last toll @ Conway).

3) Some have suggested Casey could have spent some of this time @ Lee's since it is served by the same cell towers, yet, would be away from G&C if, indeed, there was a fight.

FWIW, IMHO, Casey & Tony were also in the process of fighting/making up. The break-up w/ Ricardo wasn't clean. Casey went to Troy's bday party w/ Tony the Friday before, 6/6, and Ricardo was there. Differing accounts by Ricardo & Amy, but, seems that there was at least a little tiff. Casey (and Caylee) stayed @ Ricardo's as late as 6/9. Casey msg'g Tony around 6/13 telling him he's "the one". This all suggests to me that Tony was jealous and may have been accusing Casey of STILL being w/ Ricardo when she wasn't staying nights w/ him. This created a real conflict for Casey...staying @ home to ensure Cindy was pacified about Caylee's whereabouts only served to fuel Tony's jealousy that she might be staying with another guy. I suspect this was likely the topic of texting between Casey & Tony late 6/15 into the early AM 6/16. Casey starts into her "routine" of the previous week on 6/16 taking Caylee with her to Tony's while he's in class...the flurry of calls coming around the time Tony gets out of class...possibly the result of another dust-up between Casey & Tony to the effect of "what do you mean you're not spending the night w/ me?!?!" If she was arguing w/ Tony and wanting to prove her commitment to him the flurry was trying to resolve Caylee-care for the night so she could say, "Yes...I'm with you and I'm staying". Since they went to Blockbuster w/ Tony ~6PM she may have 'pretended' to take Caylee to home/nanny when, in fact, she sedated her to avoid the confrontation w/ C&G...since it would've meant asking them to watch Caylee overnight following the alleged fight about her stealing from her gparents fund...not being responsible, etc., etc.
 
I have also looked at the text going from Tony to Casey and it appears that there may have been some type of conflict going on. I also wondered if Casey was trying to talk Tony into being 'OK' with her having Caylee with her for the night and he was having none of it.
The question is where was Casey that night.

I do not have a problem with Casey staying there the night of June 15 if there was a big fight with a strangle hold around the neck. If no big fight then there would be no reason for her to storm off. If she did storm off then why not go to LA, or Amy’s or Jesse’s. She showed up at her friend’s places any old time without a major excuse so why not with a real one. If she did go to Lee’s that night then why did why did LA not tell LE. If so then it would have been no big deal for LA to say to LE that Casey was at his place since his father saw her the next morning and that would let him off the hook for being the last one to see Caylee.

If Casey was not at Lee's for the night then she had to have left and went someplace close then that leaves the question of did she come back home for GA to see her leave later in the day on June 16th. Now one thing that I do have to wonder is did Casey have a habit of leaving the house after everyone one else went to bed and Caylee was sleeping only to make sure she was back in the AM before Cindy left for work.

This is problematic due to the ‘awake’ hours of the household. GA seemed to work the 3-11 shifts a lot and would be getting in after 11:00PM but most likely before midnight. He did not necessarily go to bed as soon as he got home. With that kind of schedule the household was pretty much active with someone up and around from the time Cindy got home from work 5:30-7:00 until maybe as late as 3:00AM in the morning with GA hours. Then Cindy is up at 6:30Am if not earlier to 7:10AM when she left for work and then GA getting up about 10:00AM. Then GA would not leave for work until about 2:00PM or later but by 3:00PM he would be gone. That is only a window of 3 hours from the time Cindy leaves for work and George is up and then again another 3 hours in the afternoon until CA rolls back in. That would leave Casey very little time for her to hang out a home every day. Then you take into account the fact that workdays were staggered and GA was home Friday and Saturday and CA was home Saturday and Sunday.

So since LA did not say anything about Casey coming to his place it makes me wonder if Casey did leave in a huff but stayed in the area trying to get Tony to relent and let her come over with Caylee. Her cell phone says she did not go to far since the pings are from the same tower. When she did not make any headway with Tony she sneaked back into the house, avoided Cindy in the AM and made nicely nice to George the next day.

A phenomenon with dysfunctional homes is there can be a shouting match with furniture and fists flying at night and no one says a thing about it the next morning. It is not talked about, mentioned or acknowledged. They just go on with normal routines. For them these types of fights are normal happenings. They are used to them. GA “it was just like any other day, she was leaving for work …yada yada” The reason that he noticed the clothing in such detail is something that causes more pause.
There was a reason that he could remember that in such clear detail. Either he has a very good memory and can ‘replay’ events in his head like a video [I can do this also, but there has to be something of importance for me to be able to recall after that long of a period; short term, less than 24 hours I can play back the day with no problem] or he had words with Casey himself that day or he was not there for whatever argument took place the night before and was surprised to see Casey and Caylee coming from the bedroom because he had been told that Casey had left with Caylee by Cindy when he got home or he actually saw Casey and Caylee leave not at 1:50PM on June 16th but at 1:50AM and he is attempting to deflect any information coming out about Cindy going after Casey because that would give prosecutors a good motive for Casey doing away with Caylee.
 
If KC stayed with LA at any point between May and July, wouldn't we have seen more cellphone activity? Such as from KC: "The 'rents suck and I need a place to stay tonight".

If I remember correctly, we see a lot of cell activity from/to LA on the night of July 3rd - which is when CA sent LA to find KC.

And if I remember correctly, didn't LA say at one point that the last time he saw Caylee was at his parents house?
 
ElizaAvalon said:
If KC stayed with LA at any point between May and July, wouldn't we have seen more cellphone activity? Such as from KC: "The 'rents suck and I need a place to stay tonight".

If I remember correctly, we see a lot of cell activity from/to LA on the night of July 3rd - which is when CA sent LA to find KC.

And if I remember correctly, didn't LA say at one point that the last time he saw Caylee was at his parents house?
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Agreed re: expect more cell activity between Casey & Lee if she's spending any time there. It's almost non-existent when you consider how much she's in contact w/ others.

IIRC, Lee stated the last time he saw Caylee was @ at G&C's on Cindy's b-day, or at least the celebration of it, which, I believe was Thursday 6/5.

I didn't mean to stray too far off-topic (e.g. thread for 6/15 only).
 
can someone look at a google earth map for me and where goldenrod and narcoossee kinda triangle theres a wooded area looks sqiggly dirt roads. does anyone know if these are dirt roads back in the woods ?
 
KellioPSL said:
can someone look at a google earth map for me and where goldenrod and narcoossee kinda triangle theres a wooded area looks sqiggly dirt roads. does anyone know if these are dirt roads back in the woods ?
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I see you've asked this in two threads. Are you asking because it may pertain to June 15th discussion?
 
Anyone that is experienced with ping maps please look at the map for the 15th. ping 14 is at 7:13 it is very close to the a"s the next ping is at 7:36 the tower pings at their house so either the time is wrong or maybe she stopped somwhere ? between pings 14 and 15. Is it possible to ping two towers at once ? pings 16 and 17.
 
6/16 ml and shadow in an email to shirley- " I know Al was tickled to see caylee and ca. Their visit made a good fathers day for him."
 
KellioPSL said:
Anyone that is experienced with ping maps please look at the map for the 15th. ping 14 is at 7:13 it is very close to the a"s the next ping is at 7:36 the tower pings at their house so either the time is wrong or maybe she stopped somwhere ? between pings 14 and 15. Is it possible to ping two towers at once ? pings 16 and 17.
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KellioPSL,

I have reviewed the cell data and it is correct to the Ping Map for the above stated question, Maybe she was caught at a few red lights or something.
 
worriedmom said:
Does anyone know who has the phone number (904) **4-1704? I'd really like to know who Casey received a text from immediately before she cut off her phone for the night on at 2:00 am on 6/15 and who she texted back first thing in the morning (at 6:32 am) on 6/15. She had also texted that person late at night, just before midnight, on 6/14. She also seems to be receiving an unusual number of unidentified texts on 6/15, a pattern that doesn't seem to be repeated on other days.

Finally, it looks like someone at home might have called her at 2:30, but she let it go to voicemail. Then, she calls back and talks to someone at home at 5:00 but doesn't seem to go anywhere near home until closer to 7:00. I wonder whether at that point the fight had already happened, or was this the precipitating event. Did CA learn something from her mom that caused the fight when she got back from the nursing home?

And, does it seem strange to anyone else that KC starts texting AL at 7:06, but the pings put her right there? Does she text him on the way out his door? In the parking lot? Or was she somewhere else, with someone else, that hasn't occurred to anyone?

And, though the pings place her near home, I find it extremely hard to believe that she walks in the door of the A's house, where she hasn't seen her daughter all day, and immediately begins to text almost non-stop for the next 6 hours. She didn't have time to put Caylee to bed, much less have a fight during that time frame.

So, what do people think about WHEN the fight occurred? Could it have been before CA and Caylee left that morning?
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Has anyone looked into the possibility that KC had a conversation with Caylee's father (if he is alive of course) on June 15 since it was FATHER'S DAY? Have all phone numbers been identified?
 
La.Sandy said:
Has anyone looked into the possibility that KC had a conversation with Caylee's father (if he is alive of course) on June 15 since it was FATHER'S DAY? Have all phone numbers been identified?
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Interesting thought, Sandy. :waitasec:

While Casey doesn't seem to be much on sentiment :rolleyes:...the only male contacts, other than the 'usual suspects' on her cell log I see for 6/15 are:
  • Kyle K.
  • Adam L.
Of interest per your line of thinking...contacts w/ Kyle are only on 6/14 & 6/15 vs. the balance of the 6/1-7/17 period.

Kyle (a.k.a. "Kyle:animal" per Casey's cell phone nickname) initiated contact w/ Casey 11:43PM 6/14 and then had a couple of brief text exchanges w/ her in the early in the morning. Kyle attempted to call Casey while she was @ Tony's apartment and the call went to voicemail. There's no evidence that Casey attempted to return the call.

I haven't seen much on Kyle. I did a forum search for "Kyle" (didn't try his lastname) and came up w/ nothing. Perhaps worth a little more sleuthing, eh? :detective:

FWIW, the only other thing that came to mind re: Kyle was IIRC, LE mentioned early in the case (I looked but couldn't find the reference) that when they checked Casey's phone for the alleged call she stated she received from ZFG ~Noon 7/15 the only thing they located was one from "Kyle". IIRC, that was long before we had the cell records. Now that we have the cell records, I'm inclined to believe LE may have misattributed this call to 7/15 vs. 6/15...because I see no calls from "Kyle" on 7/15 (per above).

Adam (a.k.a. "Officer Charlie" per Casey's cell phone nickname) texts Casey on the following dates:
  • 6/2/08
  • 6/13/08
  • 6/15/08
  • 7/16/08

Hope that helps.
 
Great, thorough answer Bond (as usual). It just recently occurred to me that KC may have had some contact with Kaylee's dad (if he is alive and aware of being a dad) on Father's Day. I don't know anything about Kyle, though. Do we know how she knows him?
 
...worked this out on the Theories Part 5 thread. Bringing it here for summary reference as it is built primarily on pings.

BondJamesBond said:
FWIW...some info to use in lining up theories 'bout what happened 6/15...

Per E-Pass records here it appears that Cindy and Caylee left for Mt. Dora around ~9AM, 6/16 (see Conway toll 9:27AM)

Per cell pings, Casey left G&C's just after ~9AM and arrived @ Tony's ~9:15AM.

Per E-Pass records (and consistent w/ statements) it appears Cindy & Caylee returned home to Hopespring ~3PM (see matching Conway toll @ 2:33PM).

Per cell records...

@ 3:35PM Cindy called Casey's cell from the Hopespring home phone. Casey let this call roll to vmail, and Cindy left a 36 second vmail.

@ 3:45PM Kyle called Casey's cell phone and Casey let this one roll to vmail also. At no time during this period does Casey interact w/ her phone.

@ 5:06PM, w/o checking vmail, Casey called G&C's Hopespring home phone from her cell phone @ Tony's apt. for a 3 minute conversation, or left a 3minute answering machine message.

...2 hours pass, w/ no activity on Casey's cell, @ 7:06PM Casey begins a text dialogue w/ Tony while she is still near his apartment. The pings from this conversation indicate Casey left Tony's ~7:06PM.

@ 7:10PM Casey already enroute & unprompted, calls G&C's Hopespring home phone for a 1 minute conversation or answering machine message.

@ 7:36PM Casey arrived @ G&C's Hopespring home.

...between 7:06PM and 9:26PM Casey is engaged in a continuous texting conversation w/ Tony (and a little w/ Amy). The single greatest lapse between their texts was 11minutes @ 8:56 w/ most of them in the 2 minute range.

@ 9:26PM a period of cell inactivity lasting 39minutes begins. (IMHO, this seems to be a good candidate for "the fight")

@ 10:06PM Casey ends the cell inactivity after receiving a text from Tony by placing a call to Tony and talking w/ him for 10minutes (IMHO, this also would seem to be indicative of the fight having just taken place)

@ 10:25PM the heavy texting between Casey and Tony resumes for the balance of the night...with a 40minute break @ 11PM.

Some other things to consider...

IIRC, George was @ work 6/15PM...based on his work schedule he would've been gone or in the process of leaving about the time Cindy & Caylee returned to Hopespring that afternoon.

I believe Caylee's naptime was typically 1-3PM. Since Caylee was @ Shirley's, etc. during her normal naptime, Caylee likely fell asleep in her carseat on the ride back to Hopespring (speculation).

Cindy didn't fire off several calls to Casey to come home. She simply left a vmail. Even when Casey didn't respond. No add'l calls from Cindy.

Casey was casual about coming home. She may have seen the missed call# and known about being called from Hopespring, but, she didn't check her vmail. She simply did her own thing for another couple of hours and called when she was on her way home.

There appears to be an opportunity for Cindy & Caylee to have gone for a swim after arriving @ Hopespring after Caylee, perhaps, finished her nap. Recall they had eaten @ Shirley's. Dunno if they needed to eat again.

By 9:26PM a tired Caylee should've already been in bed asleep. IIRC, Caylee typically co-slept w/ Casey in her room. With George @ work still, and Lee nowhere around, this would've given the rest of the house to Cindy & Casey to have it out. By this time in the evening it would also seem to be quiet enough in the neighborhood that a shouting match would've been overheard...esp. if they carried it out into the backyard...

This scenario would have Casey going into her bedroom (closing the door presumably) with Caylee already asleep after "the fight" if it indeed occurred @ 9:26-10:06PM.

For 6/15 post-fight-smothering theory proponents it would appear Casey had ~35 minutes of cooling off from the time she resumed texting w/ Tony (perhaps in her room w/ Caylee) until a 40minute period of cell inactivity began. Not that Casey would've required more than a few minutes to accomplish a smothering...just that it might entail more than just the act itself. Could also just be something like a time to remove make-up, etc. FWIW.

Hope that helps paint a picture of the day.
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ETA: How is it possible we only have 18 posts to-date on this critical day?!?! :confused:
 
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