Roger Ellison and Jon Truscott Haynes

[believe09]

Originally Posted by Zaha

It is my understanding Silver, is Rogers sister.


How can BK's DNA be put into the National database? Why isn't it there already?

BK's PRIMARY DNA is in CODIS which is a National Database.

I do not know why his mitochondrial DNA is not in a national database. It can be placed into one.

[CaptAmerica]

Hi, as much as we all would like to believe this could be Roger, there are too many dissimilarities in fact and description to believe that BK is Roger.

[Zaha]

Originally Posted by CaptAmerica

Hi, as much as we all would like to believe this could be Roger, there are too many dissimilarities in fact and description to believe that BK is Roger.

What are the dissimilarties and description?
We really know nothing about Bk (including age) and very little about Roger.

Here are some of things that are the same.

1. Eyes
2. Nose
3. Mouth
4. Both wear size 13 shoe.

Some say the following are not similar.

1. Ears (from photos)
2. Eyebrows ( BK's turn downward and Rogers are towards temple)
3. Age - ?? People's own opinion. Some think BK looks too old to be 46.5

[WholeLottaRosie]

Originally Posted by Zaha

What are the dissimilarties and description?
We really know nothing about Bk (including age) and very little about Roger.

Here are some of things that are the same.

1. Eyes
2. Nose
3. Mouth
4. Both wear size 13 shoe.

Some say the following are not similar.

1. Ears (from photos)
2. Eyebrows ( BK's turn downward and Rogers are towards temple)
3. Age - ?? People's own opinion. Some think BK looks too old to be 46.5

I think he could be Roger. I also think BK could be anywhere from early 40's to 60's. I am serious. I know several people around 45 that look (to me) like late fifties early sixties. People age differently. My DH is 52 but is frequently said by others to be 38 - 45. I think it is worth a thorough checking.

[Zaha]

Originally Posted by believe09

BK's PRIMARY DNA is in CODIS which is a National Database.

I do not know why his mitochondrial DNA is not in a national database. It can be placed into one.

Ok .. so mitchondrial DNA,, is that maternal DNA?

Where is Rogers DNA? I thought Silver said it was in National Database too? Does that mean BK DNA was ran with Silver DNA to compare alreadY?


Sorry, don't understand the difference..

[believe09]

Originally Posted by Zaha

Ok .. so mitchondrial DNA,, is that maternal DNA?

Where is Rogers DNA? I thought Silver said it was in National Database too? Does that mean BK DNA was ran with Silver DNA to compare alreadY?


Sorry, don't understand the difference..

Mitochondrial DNA is passed through the mother. Silver's mito DNA is in a national database, BK's is not. At least unless that has changed.

[Julessleuther]

This DNA stuff is so confusing. I thought mito was primary DNA. What do majority of people get done--MDNA? So unless someone has the paternal DNA in CODIS, BK cannot be compared to them? . How common is it to have paternal in CODIS? Why would LE not have done Primary or paternal for Silver? So it is like comparing apples to oranges, not apples to apples? Wouldn't having BK's MDNA in CODIS open up a whole bunch of possibilities?

[Roselvr]

Originally Posted by Julessleuther

This DNA stuff is so confusing. I thought mito was primary DNA. What do majority of people get done--MDNA? So unless someone has the paternal DNA in CODIS, BK cannot be compared to them? . How common is it to have paternal in CODIS? Why would LE not have done Primary or paternal for Silver? So it is like comparing apples to oranges, not apples to apples? Wouldn't having BK's MDNA in CODIS open up a whole bunch of possibilities?

Good question.
I had a paternity test; not sure what DNA they took for that.
I wish there was a way to compare Benjaman's with mine.

[Zaha]

Originally Posted by Julessleuther

This DNA stuff is so confusing. I thought mito was primary DNA. What do majority of people get done--MDNA? So unless someone has the paternal DNA in CODIS, BK cannot be compared to them? . How common is it to have paternal in CODIS? Why would LE not have done Primary or paternal for Silver? So it is like comparing apples to oranges, not apples to apples? Wouldn't having BK's MDNA in CODIS open up a whole bunch of possibilities?

LOL.. I am completley lost on this subject...

To me it means..maternal DNA links siblings that came form the same mother... has nothing to do with the father

The one that Bk has in the national data base is NOT maternal .. which means IF BK's siblings maternal DNA WAS there.. it would never show as a match cause BK has the wrong type there????

[believe09]

Originally Posted by Zaha

LOL.. I am completley lost on this subject...

To me it means..maternal DNA links siblings that came form the same mother... has nothing to do with the father

The one that Bk has in the national data base is NOT maternal .. which means IF BK's siblings maternal DNA WAS there.. it would never show as a match cause BK has the wrong type there????

Closer-BK would not show as a match for Silver/Roger because the DNA that belongs to BK (his exclusive) is a different kind from the DNA obtained from the mitochondria of Silver's cell.

MtDNA is less accurate than a primary DNA match...because it is part of the equation, but not everything. It shows a common maternal ancester.

The primary DNA is obtained from something that is just yours-your hair, bone, skin cell. MtDNA can be obtained from your sister, mother, aunt, female cousin and indicates a likelihood that you are related to someone else.

[Zaha]

Originally Posted by believe09

Closer-BK would not show as a match for Silver/Roger because the DNA that belongs to BK (his exclusive) is a different kind from the DNA obtained from the mitochondria of Silver's cell.

MtDNA is less accurate than a primary DNA match...because it is part of the equation, but not everything. It shows a common maternal ancester.

The primary DNA is obtained from something that is just yours-your hair, bone, skin cell. MtDNA can be obtained from your sister, mother, aunt, female cousin and indicates a likelihood that you are related to someone else.

So then shouldn't BK get MtDNA sample off to the National Database then?

[Zaha]

So, does anyone know if Roger and Benjaman's DNA are going to be compared? Do I give up onthe thought that Roger might be Banjaman, as there was no response from Silver (Rogers sister) ... sorry, but I just don't want to waste time looking into this possibility if they will not be compared...

[Julessleuther]

Maybe she is out of town or something. It is not necessarily her responsibility to compare DNA anyway--usually one of us calls LE and inquires about it. So many people said that there is no way that BK could be Roger, so I did not contact LE, but if you feel strongly about it, you can contact them. Nothing is ever a waste here.

Originally Posted by Zaha

So, does anyone know if Roger and Benjaman's DNA are going to be compared? Do I give up onthe thought that Roger might be Banjaman, as there was no response from Silver (Rogers sister) ... sorry, but I just don't want to waste time looking into this possibility if they will not be compared...