Searching for Seka

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by momto3kids

Annasmom,

Have you turned it over, held it up against a bright light, or laid it on top of something bright and tried to read it from the back? I have done this with documents that are scribbled on top. Sometimes just 1 letter or number will become more obvious this way.

The picture on the reverse of the card obscures this. I tried light pencil rubbing, bright sunlight. Whatever it is seems to be in quotation marks; the bottom word begins with a K and ends with an A. I don't really think this is teeny writing; what I can see seems normal size and is consistent with GW's handwriting. My best guess is that this Seka was someone he was interested in, but who bailed after he tried to recruit her as a Brody devotee. If KivaSupporter is able to get any information from her friend back in the old country, this might help fill in the picture. I also believe Seka was somehow associated with one of the clinics, either as a patient or possibly as a volunteer, but this is just my guess. At any rate, I do not believe she played an important role in the Anna saga..it's just part of the GB/GW mystery which we would like to unravel.

[SherlockJr]

Originally Posted by Annasmom

The picture on the reverse of the card obscures this. I tried light pencil rubbing, bright sunlight. Whatever it is seems to be in quotation marks; the bottom word begins with a K and ends with an A. I don't really think this is teeny writing; what I can see seems normal size and is consistent with GW's handwriting. My best guess is that this Seka was someone he was interested in, but who bailed after he tried to recruit her as a Brody devotee. If KivaSupporter is able to get any information from her friend back in the old country, this might help fill in the picture. I also believe Seka was somehow associated with one of the clinics, either as a patient or possibly as a volunteer, but this is just my guess. At any rate, I do not believe she played an important role in the Anna saga..it's just part of the GB/GW mystery which we would like to unravel.

Could it read Komarnica?

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by SherlockJr

Could it read Komarnica?

Certainly it's possible. When you Google Komarnica (Croatia), you also see a town called Brodski not too far off..Where are you, KivaSupporter? We need you.

[KivaSupporter]

Originally Posted by SideKick

Hi KivaSupporter,

I may have totally missed this, but, did you hear back from the man who knew someone in Sradin who 'may' know the locals of the day?

Best you,

SKick.

We are still in touch. He is following a lead to the person who probably knew Seka and Seka's family.

[KivaSupporter]

Originally Posted by Annasmom

Certainly it's possible. When you Google Komarnica (Croatia), you also see a town called Brodski not too far off..Where are you, KivaSupporter? We need you.

Actually, there is more than one Komarnica.

I believe that it is more likely it is the one in Montenegro (Crna Gora) which used to be a part of Serbia. It is a very rugged and beautiful part of the country. Komarnica is a village. There is also a river Komarnica and a cave Komarnica, all close to each other. The area is located in the southeast of former Yugoslavia, relatively close to Greece (approx. 200 miles).

I wonder why that was written on the postcard.









The red dot on the map shows where the Komarnica village is located.

[Dr. Doogie]

If it is the word "Komarnica" and it is in Brody's handwriting, the question of why he would write that word is curious. But more directly, that seems like a word that would not normally be familar to someone with Brody's suposed educational level. For him to have spelled the word correctly without any previous exposure to it seems unlikely. (I recognize that I am assuming that the word IS spelled correctly even though we cannot completely decipher the scribble. It is just that from what we can decipher, it appears correct. I find that odd.)

[KivaSupporter]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie

If it is the word "Komarnica" and it is in Brody's handwriting, the question of why he would write that word is curious. But more directly, that seems like a word that would not normally be familar to someone with Brody's suposed educational level. For him to have spelled the word correctly without any previous exposure to it seems unlikely. (I recognize that I am assuming that the word IS spelled correctly even though we cannot completely decipher the scribble. It is just that from what we can decipher, it appears correct. I find that odd.)

I agree it is very, very odd.

Komarnica is an area where people go hiking and kayaking. Other than that, it is not a tourist spot. It is a very rugged terrain. Even most people in former Yugoslavia don't know about it. The village of Komarnica is rather small. There is no industry there. I imagine people have small gardens, chickens, pigs, goats, and one or two cows. I cannot imagine how G. would have known about it, unless Seka had told him. Maybe she had some relatives there, possibly grandparents. But even if she had told him about it, why would he write it down?

Here is how one person from the area describes it:
"Somewhat neglected natural phenomenon is the canyon of the river Komarnica and its most beautiful part, the unreachable Nevideo (which means Never Seen). (It is difficult to reach and only a few have done it.) It is beside the village of the same name as the river. This is the village from which most of the Durmitorians come. This is the village from which the people often immigrated to Virak and Zabljak settlements. Nowadays it is somehow the end of the world. Almost nobody comes. Local residents live quietly, undisturbed by all the madness and tempo of civilization to which the urban people belong."

I am very much interested in what others think.

The road to Komarnica. Unpaved and rarely travelled.

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by KivaSupporter

I agree it is very, very odd.

Komarnica is an area where people go hiking and kayaking. Other than that, it is not a tourist spot. It is a very rugged terrain. Even most people in former Yugoslavia don't know about it. The village of Komarnica is rather small. There is no industry there. I imagine people have small gardens, chickens, pigs, goats, and one or two cows. I cannot imagine how G. would have known about it, unless Seka had told him. Maybe she had some relatives there, possibly grandparents. But even if she had told him about it, why would he write it down?

Here is how one person from the area describes it:
"Somewhat neglected natural phenomenon is the canyon of the river Komarnica and its most beautiful part, the unreachable Nevideo (which means Never Seen). (It is difficult to reach and only a few have done it.) It is beside the village of the same name as the river. This is the village from which most of the Durmitorians come. This is the village from which the people often immigrated to Virak and Zabljak settlements. Nowadays it is somehow the end of the world. Almost nobody comes. Local residents live quietly, undisturbed by all the madness and tempo of civilization to which the urban people belong."

I am very much interested in what others think.

The road to Komarnica. Unpaved and rarely travelled.

If the population is isolated, I suppose there's some possibility that GW might have been interested in medical research there...similar to that which he did on the Greek island of Euboeia, on which many women have thyroid problems which apparently are genetic. Almost anything is a wild guess at this point. Your pictures are beautifuil, however.

[SherlockJr]

Originally Posted by SherlockJr

Could it read Komarnica?

This is only a wild guess. Annasmom believed the word started with a "K" and ended with an "A". There may be other places that start with K and end with A. Could it also be more than one word with the last word being Ann"a"?

Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie

If it is the word "Komarnica" and it is in Brody's handwriting, the question of why he would write that word is curious. But more directly, that seems like a word that would not normally be familar to someone with Brody's suposed educational level. For him to have spelled the word correctly without any previous exposure to it seems unlikely. (I recognize that I am assuming that the word IS spelled correctly even though we cannot completely decipher the scribble. It is just that from what we can decipher, it appears correct. I find that odd.)

My hunch is that is in GW's handwriting.

[raf]

Thinking abt Seka name, as surname, it are some women with Seka surname, also in Oakland (a Psychologist and a Artist in Berkeley, born in Yugoslavia) ... so it is possible that, really, Seka was a surname and not a nickname( little sister)???
All the best,
raf

[one_hooah_wife]

Hi all! I've been lurking and researching for a few weeks now. I am so impressed by the quality of research that has been done here ... and the genuine comradery that has developed between you all! It is refreshing to see a group of people really working for the same goal ... so unlike what goes on in many of the other discussions here on WS.

I know that there is no way I can be as squared away as most of you on the specifics of this very complex case ... however, I wanted to toss out a few thoughts and observations.

When I started reading about GB's interest in the esoteric, specifically numerology ... I immediately thought of Kabbalah. Annasmom mentioned somewhere that some of the documents were literally written in Greek. So, I started searching in that area ... Greek Qabalah. Many scholars believe that it is the "grandfather" of Hebrew Kabbalah.

I know that someone else has touched on this regarding the name Eifee or the mirror of the word ... (by the way ... I found something on a Danish or Norwegian site that translated Eifee into 'toughie' or 'rigor') anyway, SeKa is Greek for "10" or "teen"... it is used frequently in the numerology practiced in Qabalah. I know that Seka is not an uncommon name in Croatia ... so it is of course possible that is her real given name ... but I thought that it might as easily be a better numerological name than her given name and therefore Mr. George "assigned" it to her.

One more thing ... and this does not belong in this thread ... I will try to put a note where it needs to be when I get Emma down for the night ...

I read in a very early post where someone used numerology on GB and ACEW ... and they did not come out to the same number. I was really surprised because I checked that out when I first started reading this board ... it was almost a reflex! The gadget that I used did have the same value for both names but it wasn't 27 or 29 as GB said ... it was 4.

Here is the site that I used
http://www.paulsadowski.com/Numbers.asp
You entered: george brody There are 11 letters in your name.
Those 11 letters total to 67
There are 4 vowels and 7 consonants in your name.
Your number is: 4
The characteristics of #4 are: A foundation, order, service, struggle against limits, steady growth.
The expression or destiny for #4: (blah blah blah)



You entered: anna christian eifee watersThere are 24 letters in your name.
Those 24 letters total to 112
There are 11 vowels and 13 consonants in your name.
Your number is: 4 (so on and so forth)

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by one_hooah_wife

Hi all! I've been lurking and researching for a few weeks now. I am so impressed by the quality of research that has been done here ... and the genuine comradery that has developed between you all! It is refreshing to see a group of people really working for the same goal ... so unlike what goes on in many of the other discussions here on WS.

When I started reading about GB's interest in the esoteric, specifically numerology ... I immediately thought of Kabbalah. Annasmom mentioned somewhere that some of the documents were literally written in Greek. So, I started searching in that area ... Greek Qabalah. Many scholars believe that it is the "grandfather" of Hebrew Kabbalah.

I know that someone else has touched on this regarding the name Eifee or the mirror of the word ... (by the way ... I found something on a Danish or Norwegian site that translated Eifee into 'toughie' or 'rigor') anyway, SeKa is Greek for "10" or "teen"... it is used frequently in the numerology practiced in Qabalah. I know that Seka is not an uncommon name in Croatia ... so it is of course possible that is her real given name ... but I thought that it might as easily be a better numerological name than her given name and therefore Mr. George "assigned" it to her.

I read in a very early post where someone used numerology on GB and ACEW ... and they did not come out to the same number. I was really surprised because I checked that out when I first started reading this board ... it was almost a reflex! The gadget that I used did have the same value for both names but it wasn't 27 or 29 as GB said ... it was 4.

Welcome, and thanks for your post. Happy reunion in two months! Interesting that even though this system of numerology comes up with a different number than GB's "27", at least his name and Anna's produce the same number. One minor correction regarding the Greek: The number for ten is Deka, not Seka. I have never heard of a Greek kabbalah and wonder if it refers somehow to Pythagoras (about whom I know almost nothing except maybe that he did think numbers had mystical properties.) Some of GW's notes were written in Greek letters just as a kind of code, but he was not proficient in Greek and I don't think GB knew any at all.

Yes, the camaraderie on this thread is something truly inspiring. I have only met one WSer face to face (apart from Doogie, who is a friend of the family from way back) but certainly the people on this forum have been wonderful friends to me. We have literally ruled out a thousand scenarios for what might have happened to Anna, and with each possibility we have examined, a little more light is shed on the mystery of Anna's disappearance.

[one_hooah_wife]

Originally Posted by Annasmom

Welcome, and thanks for your post. Happy reunion in two months! Interesting that even though this system of numerology comes up with a different number than GB's "27", at least his name and Anna's produce the same number. One minor correction regarding the Greek: The number for ten is Deka, not Seka. I have never heard of a Greek kabbalah and wonder if it refers somehow to Pythagoras (about whom I know almost nothing except maybe that he did think numbers had mystical properties.) Some of GW's notes were written in Greek letters just as a kind of code, but he was not proficient in Greek and I don't think GB knew any at all.

Yes, the camaraderie on this thread is something truly inspiring. I have only met one WSer face to face (apart from Doogie, who is a friend of the family from way back) but certainly the people on this forum have been wonderful friends to me. We have literally ruled out a thousand scenarios for what might have happened to Anna, and with each possibility we have examined, a little more light is shed on the mystery of Anna's disappearance.

Thanks Annasmom ... I feel so silly now! Of course deka is the number 10 in Greek! Somewhere along the way I forgot ... that and how to spell camaraderie! I posted below what I was looking at when I thought that Seka was 10 or teen. After I read you post, I realized what the problem was ... the lowercase symbol for the letter D ... looks like an "s" ... I guess that the sources that refer to SeKa, in this way, must have the translation wrong?? To further the confusion, the search engines read the lowercase delta as an "S."

Snipped from http://www.archive.org/stream/guidet...diala_djvu.txt

SeKuTrevre : SeKa, kin to decem, Gothic taihun, German
our ten ; irevre for 7T/x7re, German funf for fumf, our five for
fife, and that for finf. Hence SeKaTreVre = ten + five =
'fifteen.'

Numerology and Qabalah ... Kabbalah even ... are not at all my kind of thing ... but I find the people who are believers fascinating to study!

You mentioned Pythagorus ... Greek Qabalah is definitely based on his works ... and the numerology used in Greek Qabalah is the Pythagoream Method.

http://books.google.com/books?id=w70...&vq=numerology

I was interested to find out if the numerology name analyzer that I used earlier on GB and ACEW's names used Pythagorean Numerology

I found instructions here:
http://www.aboutnumerology.com/learnnumerology3.php


anna christian eifee waters
1551 389912915 59655 512591

---------------------------

1+5+5+1=12 1+2=3

3+8+9+9+1+2+9+1+5 = 47 4+7=11 1+1=2

5+9+6+5+5=30 3+0=3

5+1+2+5+9+1= 23 2+3=5
---------------------
3+2+3+5= 13 1+3=4

ACEW= 4

----------------------------------
george brody
756975 29647

7+5+6+9+7+5 = 39 3+9=12 1+2=3

2+9+6+4+7 = 28 2+8= 10 1+0=1

-----------------------------------

3+1=4

GB=4

So, it WAS Pythagorean Numerology that gave them the matching number of "4"!

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by one_hooah_wife

Numerology and Qabalah ... Kabbalah even ... are not at all my kind of thing ... but I find the people who are believers fascinating to study!

You mentioned Pythagorus ... Greek Qabalah is definitely based on his works ... and the numerology used in Greek Qabalah is the Pythagorean Method...


So, it WAS Pythagorean Numerology that gave them the matching number of "4"!

Dear OHW,
You have obviously put some time into this, and I really appreciate it. I don't know what it means. I took a look at the book you mentioned, and it certainly covers a lot of ground....What it all means, I cannot tell. You never know how these bits of information may come into play, however.

[Pink Panther]

Seka is also a Japanese name...It means "wonderful":

http://www.babybobbi.com/name_details.asp?itemID=180504

[Cubby]

bumping to the front page.

[Annasmom]

We have a contact through Facebook who lives in the area the mysterious Seka came from. We had pretty much reached a dead end in our search for this woman who corresponded with the Georges. Our new contact knows media people in that part of the world and is preparing a news release asking anybody who might have known Seka to come forward. I'm hoping our contact will be able to join WebSleuths soon so that you can hear directly what she is doing.

[OzzieMum]

Originally Posted by Annasmom

We have a contact through Facebook who lives in the area the mysterious Seka came from. We had pretty much reached a dead end in our search for this woman who corresponded with the Georges. Our new contact knows media people in that part of the world and is preparing a news release asking anybody who might have known Seka to come forward. I'm hoping our contact will be able to join WebSleuths soon so that you can hear directly what she is doing.

This is great news Annasmom.

[SideKick]

Originally Posted by OzzieMum

This is great news Annasmom.

YIPPEE!
Fingers X'd

[Cubby]

Excellent news Annasmom!

Is she still having troubles registering with WS? If so, please let me know off the forum her WS user name and the email address she is trying to register with. I will make sure to pass it onto the WS admin who is responsible for approving new members.

TY

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by Cubby

Excellent news Annasmom!

Is she still having troubles registering with WS? If so, please let me know off the forum her WS user name and the email address she is trying to register with. I will make sure to pass it onto the WS admin who is responsible for approving new members.

TY

We need Miss Marple!

[MissMarple]

Originally Posted by Annasmom

We need Miss Marple!

Finally!!! I so happy to be here.

My plan is based on the following premises: If you do not ask, you will never get the answer!!!

Someone somewhere knows who is Seka, and we will ask whoever needed to be asked in order to get the info.


P.S. English is not my first language and the despite the fact I have been learning and using the English language for about 25 years, I still have some problems....

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by MissMarple

Finally!!! I so happy to be here.

My plan is based on the following premises: If you do not ask, you will never get the answer!!!

Someone somewhere knows who is Seka, and we will ask whoever needed to be asked in order to get the info.


P.S. English is not my first language and the despite the fact I have been learning and using the English language for about 25 years, I still have some problems....

Yay, hurray, welcome, MissMarple!

[Cubby]

Welcome to WS Miss Marple!
Thank you so much for your interest in Annas case.
I'm sure your English will be fine!

Looking forward to your idea's and info here to help find Seka.

[MissMarple]

Originally Posted by Cubby

Welcome to WS Miss Marple!
Thank you so much for your interest in Annas case.
I'm sure your English will be fine!

Looking forward to your idea's and info here to help find Seka.

Thank you, Cubby!

I learned about Anna's case at the end of April, because one day I was just wondering what happened with Madeleine McCann and wanted o find some info. I have started to read about Anna and especially, since the fact that someone from Serbia was somehow related to the case, I got got some ideas. I have noticed that one of the members posted about Seka on the Croatian and Serbian sites but no reasons why is she wanted. With no reason, people can hesitate, so my idea was to contact some Serbian magazines with a long tradition, which was done today, and to explain really why is Seka wanted. I agree with Annasmom about the text.

I have some promises that this text will be published and that we can find out who is she. The best solution would be if Seka makes contact by herself. I am pretty sure that she heard by now about Anna.

By reading all the posts in past days, I have a filling that a final clue is near; maybe once again we all need to take a fresh look about the all facts.