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RubyBlu said:
seems to be a bad link :-(
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My experience was that if you watch the first video that comes when you click on the link, then after you watch that video, you will be given the option of seeing a second video, which appears to be from YouTube. It's worth being patient to watch both. It's difficult to hear how callous AS sounds! Makes me wonder, as I just said on another thread, if he'd stayed up all night. MOO.
 
RubyBlu said:
seems to be a bad link :-(
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Hope this works:

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/160836... censored*-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

The Adam Shacknai 911 quote is to be heard at 00:41

And the newsreport where the video is added is:

Attorney: 'Bondage *advertiser censored*' found on Coronado mansion computer
 
The 911 excerpts can also be found here, with a bit more info.

@ 45 seconds and at 1:22
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-K7fJggP3U"]DrPZ 1A - YouTube[/ame]

@ beginning​
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw4oQB9rJIM"]DrPZ2B - YouTube[/ame]
 
..the SDSO has a new FAQ section on their "Coronado Death Investigation".

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html
--Coronado Death Investigation--

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html
CORONADO DEATH INVESTIGATION - FAQ’s
Frequently Asked Questions

--snipped---more FAQ's @ link---

Why didn’t we collect and process the panties in the trash?
...( P/P ---they probably belonge to a girl at a slumber party, b/c JS said so...and--) Fingerprints, DNA, and other items left behind in other areas of the mansion have limited value in proving or disproving a crime.

( serious "limited value"------if they are not even tested..)

Why didn’t we process the blood in the shower?

Since the master bedroom is in another part of the mansion, and there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca, this item was not tested.

( ummm---well maybe if you HAD tested the blood, it would have NOT belonged to rebecca------therefore, someone else at the scene.)
 
Love this part:
"How did she learn these complex knots?

We don’t believe she did. These knots were not as complex as they have been made out to be, which is what we discovered when we attempted to recreate the knots on Rebecca’s wrists. Simply stated, this is one of those questions which will most likely never be answered with any certainty."

Really? She never learned how to tie these knots? Then how did she manage to tie herself with them? And I noticed they say nothing about bondage *advertiser censored*. Did they ever even investigate who was looking at the *advertiser censored*? We all have noticed from the start how similar the way her body was found looked to bondage *advertiser censored*. Why would a woman supposedly killing herself out of guilt and grief try to make her suicide look like a scene out of bondage *advertiser censored*? And they never tested the panties found in the guest house? Just cause they assumed these panties belonged to somebody else? Alrighty then.
 
lauriej said:
..the SDSO has a new FAQ section on their "Coronado Death Investigation".

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html
--Coronado Death Investigation--

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html
CORONADO DEATH INVESTIGATION - FAQ’s
Frequently Asked Questions

--snipped---more FAQ's @ link---

Why didn’t we collect and process the panties in the trash?
...( P/P ---they probably belonge to a girl at a slumber party, b/c JS said so...and--) Fingerprints, DNA, and other items left behind in other areas of the mansion have limited value in proving or disproving a crime.

( serious "limited value"------if they are not even tested..)

Why didn’t we process the blood in the shower?

Since the master bedroom is in another part of the mansion, and there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca, this item was not tested.

( ummm---well maybe if you HAD tested the blood, it would have NOT belonged to rebecca------therefore, someone else at the scene.)
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BBM. Have we heard about this slumber party before? Did it involve GS or XZ?
 
October said:
BBM. Have we heard about this slumber party before? Did it involve GS or XZ?
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..we heard about it the other day--nov.16th--at the sheriff's news conference following the dr.Phil show.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested
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"They didn't look at a pair of woman's underwear in a garbage can in the guest house," said Bremner. "The underwear was not analyzed."

Sheriff Gore said it was not necessary to test the underwear, based on his department's investigation and statements made by Jonah Shacknai.

"In the case of the underwear, it was determined through investigators that Jonah Shacknai's daughter, G****, and her girlfriends had stayed in the guest house up to a week before," Gore said. "It did not appear to be relevant to our investigation and not everything we seize in a crime scene is eventually submitted for forensic examination."

Grubb, the crime lab director, also was questioned about the underwear during the news conference.

"The underwear was collected but was not examined because of Jonah Shacknai's statement and the fact that we had better evidence as to whether Rebecca Zahau was sexually assaulted or not; and that was her body – and swabs recovered from her body – which showed no sexual assault," responded Grubb.

( apparently, "jonah said so"-----okie dokie then. )
 
jjenny said:
Love this part:
"How did she learn these complex knots?

We don’t believe she did. These knots were not as complex as they have been made out to be, which is what we discovered when we attempted to recreate the knots on Rebecca’s wrists. Simply stated, this is one of those questions which will most likely never be answered with any certainty."

Really? She never learned how to tie these knots? Then how did she manage to tie herself with them? And I noticed they say nothing about bondage *advertiser censored*. Did they ever even investigate who was looking at the *advertiser censored*? We all have noticed from the start how similar the way her body was found looked to bondage *advertiser censored*. Why would a woman supposedly killing herself out of guilt and grief try to make her suicide look like a scene out of bondage *advertiser censored*? And they never tested the panties found in the guest house? Just cause they assumed these panties belonged to somebody else? Alrighty then.
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Dr Cyril Wecht on Websleuths radio (November 20, 2011)
They were special knots that enabled someone to put their hands in and out…
Let me give you a comment from someone who is an expert who was on the Dr Drew show… Dr Drew stated to his audience that he had consulted a rope/knot specialist and that specialist said to Dr Drew that he did not see how anybody could have done this.
…
I want to know where Rebecca Zahau learned to do these kinds of knots, where did she acquire this special skill?
…

We got somebody here (referring to the demonstration by the San Diego Sheriffs Dept.) [ame="http://vimeo.com/28515690"]Rope Demonstration - Front View on Vimeo[/ame] who can show you how that knot can be done and to this day and I’ve hurled this challenge out, and I’m doing it again tonight, and I’m hoping that some of those people; sycophants, parasites, self appointed defenders that may be listening to your show, that one of them would have the decency, the integrity, the courage to answer this - with all their investigations, what have they come up with to show that Rebecca Zahau could have tied those knots?
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2011/11/21/baby-lisa-irwin-rebecca-zahau-dr-cyril-wecht

The specialist referred to by Dr Wecht is Lindsey Philpott.
http://www.theknotguy.com/forensic.html

Video clip of Lindsey on the Dr. Drew show:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVz2T7clJa4"]DrDkn - YouTube[/ame]

PINSKY: How did Rebecca bind both her hands and feet and throw herself off the balcony?
Now, we saw that video there where it looks -- that, to me, looks difficult. But I’ve got a forensic specialist here, Lyndsey Philpott, a knotting expert who worked on the JonBenet Ramsey case.
I’m actually really grateful you’re here, because if it’s possible, show me how. Somebody who had no experience with rope, looking at that video, it seems extraordinary to think that somebody in an altered state perhaps could sit down, never having worked with a rope before, and bind themselves, and do it the way we saw in that video.
LYNDSEY PHILPOTT, FORENSIC KNOTTING EXPERT: It’s a very curious thing to be able to tie yourself in knots. And seeing the way in which the video displayed it, you first of all have to find the halfway point on the line, and then put it over yourself like this.
PINSKY: How would you know to do that? I would not know to do that unless I were a sailor from the 17th century or something. And I’m a young woman in distress. I’m going to think to do that?
PHILPOTT: I really don’t think that anybody could think to do that.
PINSKY: OK.
PHILPOTT: And it’s very difficult for me even as an expert to be able to manipulate these lines in some way so that I can -- you can see it.
PINSKY: And she actually did it behind her back. Then she got it -- but then --
PHILPOTT: And then to take them off there and put them behind her back would be tantamount to contortionist, because you then have to try to figure out where things are going and how they’re going to get there.
And what would be the purpose? What would be the purpose in showing that your hands are tied behind your back? After all is said and done, if you’re going to be committing suicide, aren`t you mainly concerned with asphyxiating or breaking your own neck as a result of that?
PINSKY: And then the feet too were bound, I guess, although I haven’t seen any video on what kind of binding she allegedly did there. That, too, seems very, very bizarre.
PHILPOTT: I haven’t seen anything which indicates the kind of binding around her wrists, nor have I seen anything indicating the kind of knot around her ankles.
PINSKY: And by the way, how about having the knowledge to be able to have the right kind of -- I wouldn`t know what kind of knot to put around a bed to make sure I wouldn`t just fall to the ground. I mean, isn’t even that in itself a little challenging?
PHILPOTT: That is challenging.
PINSKY: And how about the noose? I don’t know how to tie -- how would she (ph) know how to tie a noose?
PHILPOTT: There`s a number of different ways of tying a noose. You can tie one by doing this. But as you can see, if you put the end in the wrong place, that will simply come apart and you`ll be left with nothing.
You have to put it into the right place, and you have to know to put it into the right place so that it would actually stay in position. And then once it does, it’s going to tighten up around the bed post.
Most people will tie lots of knots. If they’re going to tie anything at all, they’ll tie lots of knots.
PINSKY: That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me.
PHILPOTT: They’ll tie lots of the wrong kind. And she wasn’t doing that.
PINSKY: And that’s not what she was doing, yes.
Well, listen, I really appreciate you being here, because to me this is one of the most mysterious parts of this, is watching an explanation on a video that’s supposed to show us how it was likely that she did it when, to me, it makes it even more mysterious.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/08/ddhln.01.html
 
Pacific2011 said:
My experience was that if you watch the first video that comes when you click on the link, then after you watch that video, you will be given the option of seeing a second video, which appears to be from YouTube. It's worth being patient to watch both. It's difficult to hear how callous AS sounds! Makes me wonder, as I just said on another thread, if he'd stayed up all night. MOO.
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Yes, my sentiments as well, that he stayed up all night.
 
One reason I can think of that he'd been masturbating is the tension of being involved all night in no good, coupled with the excitement, coupled with knowing that it was all over. He wasn't worried about Max anymore and RZ was dead and he knew it. He was just passing time until it was time for him to "find" her. JMO.

I'm glad Pinsky is profiling this. He has a pretty keen eye for both abusive situations and BS, and it's clear he thinks the official report here is BS.

His expert's point that most amateurs tie a lot of different kinds of knots rings really true.
 
cynic said:
Dr Cyril Wecht on Websleuths radio (November 20, 2011)
They were special knots that enabled someone to put their hands in and out…
Let me give you a comment from someone who is an expert who was on the Dr Drew show… Dr Drew stated to his audience that he had consulted a rope/knot specialist and that specialist said to Dr Drew that he did not see how anybody could have done this.
…
I want to know where Rebecca Zahau learned to do these kinds of knots, where did she acquire this special skill?
…

We got somebody here (referring to the demonstration by the San Diego Sheriffs Dept.) Rope Demonstration - Front View on Vimeo who can show you how that knot can be done and to this day and I’ve hurled this challenge out, and I’m doing it again tonight, and I’m hoping that some of those people; sycophants, parasites, self appointed defenders that may be listening to your show, that one of them would have the decency, the integrity, the courage to answer this - with all their investigations, what have they come up with to show that Rebecca Zahau could have tied those knots?
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2011/11/21/baby-lisa-irwin-rebecca-zahau-dr-cyril-wecht

The specialist referred to by Dr Wecht is Lindsey Philpott.
http://www.theknotguy.com/forensic.html

Video clip of Lindsey on the Dr. Drew show:

DrDkn - YouTube

PINSKY: How did Rebecca bind both her hands and feet and throw herself off the balcony?
Now, we saw that video there where it looks -- that, to me, looks difficult. But I’ve got a forensic specialist here, Lyndsey Philpott, a knotting expert who worked on the JonBenet Ramsey case.
I’m actually really grateful you’re here, because if it’s possible, show me how. Somebody who had no experience with rope, looking at that video, it seems extraordinary to think that somebody in an altered state perhaps could sit down, never having worked with a rope before, and bind themselves, and do it the way we saw in that video.
LYNDSEY PHILPOTT, FORENSIC KNOTTING EXPERT: It’s a very curious thing to be able to tie yourself in knots. And seeing the way in which the video displayed it, you first of all have to find the halfway point on the line, and then put it over yourself like this.
PINSKY: How would you know to do that? I would not know to do that unless I were a sailor from the 17th century or something. And I’m a young woman in distress. I’m going to think to do that?
PHILPOTT: I really don’t think that anybody could think to do that.
PINSKY: OK.
PHILPOTT: And it’s very difficult for me even as an expert to be able to manipulate these lines in some way so that I can -- you can see it.
PINSKY: And she actually did it behind her back. Then she got it -- but then --
PHILPOTT: And then to take them off there and put them behind her back would be tantamount to contortionist, because you then have to try to figure out where things are going and how they’re going to get there.
And what would be the purpose? What would be the purpose in showing that your hands are tied behind your back? After all is said and done, if you’re going to be committing suicide, aren`t you mainly concerned with asphyxiating or breaking your own neck as a result of that?
PINSKY: And then the feet too were bound, I guess, although I haven’t seen any video on what kind of binding she allegedly did there. That, too, seems very, very bizarre.
PHILPOTT: I haven’t seen anything which indicates the kind of binding around her wrists, nor have I seen anything indicating the kind of knot around her ankles.
PINSKY: And by the way, how about having the knowledge to be able to have the right kind of -- I wouldn`t know what kind of knot to put around a bed to make sure I wouldn`t just fall to the ground. I mean, isn’t even that in itself a little challenging?
PHILPOTT: That is challenging.
PINSKY: And how about the noose? I don’t know how to tie -- how would she (ph) know how to tie a noose?
PHILPOTT: There`s a number of different ways of tying a noose. You can tie one by doing this. But as you can see, if you put the end in the wrong place, that will simply come apart and you`ll be left with nothing.
You have to put it into the right place, and you have to know to put it into the right place so that it would actually stay in position. And then once it does, it’s going to tighten up around the bed post.
Most people will tie lots of knots. If they’re going to tie anything at all, they’ll tie lots of knots.
PINSKY: That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me.
PHILPOTT: They’ll tie lots of the wrong kind. And she wasn’t doing that.
PINSKY: And that’s not what she was doing, yes.
Well, listen, I really appreciate you being here, because to me this is one of the most mysterious parts of this, is watching an explanation on a video that’s supposed to show us how it was likely that she did it when, to me, it makes it even more mysterious.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/08/ddhln.01.html
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First, I wanted to thank you for your contribution to the websleuths radio show last Sunday. You asked questions that I was interested in hearing Dr. Wecht's opinions on, and we were able to hear the detail that wasn't really covered on Dr. P. It was a great show!

Now, thanks for the transcripts. I also saw the Dr. Drew show from the 2nd transcript. After seeing the photos that were released after the findings pc in Sept., the tie off to the bed alone sent up all sorts of red flags. It wasn't necessarily that the knots looked complicated in themselves, it was the series of knots going from the rail on the foot board, to the frame to the leg, which ultimately did result in an elaborate series of knots.

But this was nothing compared to the way in which Rebecca was trussed up! It really defies logic to think that should would have gone to that extent. Just knowing the little bit I do of her, I would say that she would have been like most women and taken a handful of pills if she ever intended to pass from this life. Her family and everyone that knew her describes her as a gentle, loving soul and it's easy to see. I don't see her doing anything that would have added to the pain of her loss by going to such extremes. I fully support her family in their search for full and complete answers.
 
dovebar said:
One reason I can think of that he'd been masturbating is the tension of being involved all night in no good, coupled with the excitement, coupled with knowing that it was all over. He wasn't worried about Max anymore and RZ was dead and he knew it. He was just passing time until it was time for him to "find" her. JMO.

I'm glad Pinsky is profiling this. He has a pretty keen eye for both abusive situations and BS, and it's clear he thinks the official report here is BS.

His expert's point that most amateurs tie a lot of different kinds of knots rings really true.
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And I'm interpreting that statement as a lot of knots all in row, right next to each other so that the ends don't unravel.
 
It's also extremely unusual for someone to tie a rope to the bed then through the room to the balcony and hang that way. Most people deciding to hang themselves look for something to hang themselves from (up at the ceiling).
There are many many unusual things about this supposed suicide. Reading police statement that they have no clue where she learned these knots suggests to me they didn't find anything in her background to explain it. While the knots might not be especially intricate I find it extremely unlikely someone is going to come up with them on their own without having knowledge of knots.
 
The totality of the whole things is what convinces me.

To quote 'Monk': "Here's what happened..."

I wont name names other than the victim. Rebecca was ready for bed wearing the t-shirt found in her mouth. Someone(#1) starts beating on the door and Rebecca ignores it. Finally having had enough she does go down and opens the door. #1 comes in and starts arguing with Rebecca demanding to know 'the true story' of the child's accident. I believe #1 thought that Rebecca herself didn't cause the accident but her little sister did.(Police did go after Rebecca's sister didn't they? Maybe the interview was about the child's accident more than it was about the supposed suicide. She was out of state at the time Rebecca died).

When #1 started talking about the little sister Rebecca got angrier and demanded #1 leave. The visitor could have said something like " It's not your house and you can't make me leave and you WILL answer my questions!". Rebecca turns to return to the bedroom and #1 followed her. This is when things boiled over. I think #1 grabbed the giant dog bone and hit Rebecca over the head multiple times knocking her out. #1 then panics and realizes the trouble #1 is in and gets duct tape and binds Rebecca while they 'try to figure out what to do next'.

Now it's a possibility that #1 goes and gets another person(#2) who was staying close by. They talk about this and #1 convinces #2 that the only way Rebecca will pay for the child's accident and make sure #1 doesn't go to prison is to make it a suicide. Plans are made and supplies gathered. They decide on hanging because gun, knife and pills are out of the question for a forced suicide. When they started to put the rope around her neck i think Rebecca used her last strength to scream and try to flee(neighbors heard a woman scream). The grabbed at her and got ahold of the t-shirt. Rebecca squirmed and the t-shirt slipped off. They then used the shirt as a gag. They possibly could have hit her again. Rebecca is now tied with rope with a t-shirt in her mouth and unconscious.

They finished the rope and lowered her over the edge of the balcony. The bed didn't move far from the drop because there was no sudden drop but a casual lowering. I believe sometime in this series of events Rebecca's phone rang and a message was left. #1 sees who was calling and fearing the boyfriend was coming home from the hospital they checked the message and accidentally erased it. Nothing was left to do but remove the tape and remaining rope and leave until the body was found later.

As for the painted message on the door...
I think Rebecca was telling #1 that 'she did everything she could to save the boy'. I think that was Rebecca's answer to repeated badgering by #1. #1 in their rage meant to write it like this. "She 'saved' him can you 'save' her?" With 'saved' being meant sarcastically.

Of course my inkling is that #1 did this alone and there might not be a #2.

I don't believe the ex-wife or boyfriend actually had anything to do with the murder. Whether they are withholding evidence is another question for another day.

The things that I think should be looked at is cell phone records for the twin sister and brother. I would like to see copies of the interview with Rebecca's little sister to see if the questions involved the 'suicide' or the boy's accident. I also want to know what Rebecca usually slept in and who owned the t-shirt found in her mouth.

:woohoo:
 
http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...says-rebecca-zahau-was-murdered#ixzz1ee0P2uFO
Doctor Maurice Godwin says Rebecca Zahau was murdered
--Nov.23/2011

This article is based on original investigative reporting and exclusive statements made to us by Dr. Godwin on Tuesday, November 22, 2011. He officially worked as a consultant on the Rebecca Zahau case from September 4 until October 23, 2011.

These photos are shown in the attached slide show which accompanies this report.

Dr. Godwin has even found a potential match for the alleged killer's shoe print, that of a beach slipper known as an EVA flip-flop.
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We have learned that LE believes it was AS's bootprints in the kitchen.... from when he went in to get the knife to cut her down..... the main house is NOT locked up? Or does AS know how to get in? It just makes me think about that note.....

I never thought this note was meant to read like RZ wrote it. To me it says... an intruder murder.... "She saved him".. like this is a personal message to JS... I tried to kill your son but "she saved him".....the killer thinks the kid did not die and might recover so.. now I am going to kill someone else close to you.... "Can you save her"..... this is very threatening... very directed at JS.....

This could be a contract killing or a deranged person who has a personal vendetta with JS.

However.... a contract killing would NOT be this messy.... a deranged person... maybe... I think that house is easy to get into... no security..

But when you start adding all of the evidence up so far..... it begins to look staged.... and that note is so JS... the block letter writing and third person.... very JS. The knots.. very AS. The fact that someone could get so close to her while she is wearing only a t-shirt? The only person that could do that IMO would be JS. If he grabbed her from behind maybe as she was running down the hall from the master bedroom into the death bedroom... she is so small he could have strangled her in seconds?

the 911 call.... AS seems to want to keep his distance... as much as possible... doing what is right but not being personal in anyway.. and he seems more angry and exhausted than in shock.... in the 911 call he comes across as angry (as someone pointed out) that he is stuck making the call..and being further involved with the body.

I think the evidence still points to JS killing RZ in a rage and then AS becoming involved in the cover up.. he may have heared RZ scream and ran into the main house to find JS had killed her and they came up with a plan...He is forced to hide his rage kill and comes up with the best angle he can...... make it look like a deranged killer is out to hurt JS.... I think in JS's mind this would wrap things up nicely....because I think his world is all about his corporation... and if people believe a killer harmed his family... he doesn't have to answer questions or face scrutiny about how he failed his son in some way and of course it hides his rage kill.... I think he would sooner have people believe his family was killed by a deranged person with a vendetta....and he would get so much sympathy.....much better than the complicated mess it was.... his son about to die... because no one was watching him.. his cheapness about no servants or nanny... all that guilt... and the complications of his girlfriend being scrutinized for harming his son.... that all reflects very badly on him.... his lifestyle... But... a deranged killer with a vendetta.. now how could that be his fault? The staging seems to be so strongly pointing to taking any and all heat off of JS.

I have a hard time believing the twin would kill RZ. I think both JS and the twin wanted to find out from RZ the details of MS's death for DS but JS got to the house first. According to her that bedroom light was already on.

The police end up with suicide because they thought she was essentially a baby killer. They tried to keep it simple but the evidence is just too weird. I don't think Gore knew all the details I think the lead investigator came up with the end result and Gore signed off on it. The lead investigator would have been keen to just wrap this up and keep all the embarassing details like how RZ was under suspicion for the death of MS and those creepy and embarassing web searches under wraps. I think the lead investigator was intimidated by JS's status. The lead investigator seems like a sensitive and basic kind of fellow and this murder was waaaaaaaaaaaaay over his head.

No wonder JS would be "so happy" the investigation is wrapped up....and closed up. He wants it go go away.... so badly he hires PR and expensive lawyers right away... and sells that house lightning fast.... he could not have run away form this any faster.... IMO..... and he lost huge money... to get away from it... something I am not sure an innocent person would do.

And next week.... I would not be surprised if BG throws the lead investigator under the bus to save his job. He is going to be forced to take a good hard look at the evidence presented to him and all that media attention.
 
Mrs. Holmes said:
We have learned that LE believes it was AS's bootprints in the kitchen.... from when he went in to get the knife to cut her down..... the main house is NOT locked up? Or does AS know how to get in? It just makes me think about that note.....

I never thought this note was meant to read like RZ wrote it. To me it says... an intruder murder.... "She saved him".. like this is a personal message to JS... I tried to kill your son but "she saved him".....the killer thinks the kid did not die and might recover so.. now I am going to kill someone else close to you.... "Can you save her"..... this is very threatening... very directed at JS.....

This could be a contract killing or a deranged person who has a personal vendetta with JS.

However.... a contract killing would NOT be this messy.... a deragned person... maybe... I think that house is easy to get into... no security..

But when you start adding all of the evidence up so far..... it begins to look staged.... and that note is so JS... the block letter writing and third person.... very JS. The knots.. very AS. The fact that someone could get so close to her while she is wearing only a t-shirt? The only person that could do that IMO would be JS. If he grabbed her from behind maybe as she was running down the hall from the master bedroom into the death bedroom... she is so small he could have strangled her in seconds?

the 911 call.... AS seems to want to keep his distance... as much as possible... doing what is right but not being personal in anyway.. and he seems more angry and exhausted than in shock.... in the 911 call he comes across as angry (as someone pointed out) that he is stuck making the call..and being further involved with the body.

I think the evidence still points to JS killing RZ in a rage and then AS becoming involved in the cover up.. he may have heared RZ scream and ran into the main house to find JS had killed her and they came up with a plan... make it look like a deranged killer is out to hurt JS.... I think in JS's mind this would wrap things up nicely....because I think his world is all about his corporation... and if people believe a killer harmed his family... he doesn't have to answer questions or face scrutiny about how he failed his son in some way and of course it hides his rage kill.... I think he would sooner have people believe his family was killed by a deranged person with a vendetta.... than the complicated mess it was.... his son about to die... because no one was watching him.. his cheapness about no servants or nanny... all that guilt... and the complications of his girlfriend being scrutinized for harming his son.... that all reflects very badly on him.... his lifestyle... But... a deranged killer with a vendetta.. now how could that be his fault?

I have a hard time believing the twin would kill RZ. I think both JS and the twin wanted to find out from RZ the details for DS but JS got to the house first. According to her that bedroom light was already on.

The police go out on a tangent with suicide because they thought she was essentially a baby killer. They tried to keep it simple but the evidence is just too weird. I don't think Gore knew all the details I think the lead investigator came up with the end result and Gore signed off on it. The lead investigator would have been keen to just wrap this up and keep all the embarassing details like how RZ was under suspicion for the death of MS and those creepy and embarassing web searches under wraps. I think the lead investigator was intimidated by JS's status. The lead investigator seems like a sensitive and basic kind offellow and this murder was waaaaaaaaaaaaay over his head.

No wonder JS would be "so happy" the investigation is wrapped up....and closed up. He wants it go go away.... so badly he hires PR and expensive lawyers right away... and sells that house lightning fast.... he could not have run away form this any faster.... IMO..... and he lost huge money... to get away from it... something I am not sure an innocent person would do.
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From everything I have seen the twin sister is the only one involved that has consistently shown anger towards RZ throughout this entire episode. All of her statements and actions so far has circled around RZ being responsible for/hiding information about the boy's accident.

There were 3 people that we can say for sure were on the property that night. The brother, the twin sister and the victim. The twin sister has shown unashamed anger towards RZ and the brother had an inconclusive polygraph...
 
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From everything I have seen the twin sister is the only one involved that has consistently shown anger towards RZ throughout this entire episode. All of her statements and actions so far has circled around RZ being responsible for/hiding information about the boy's accident.

There were 3 people that we can say for sure were on the property that night. The brother, the twin sister and the victim. The twin sister has shown unashamed anger towards RZ and the brother had an inconclusive polygraph...
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Well that is a good point but we have not heard from JS or DS. As the parents of MS.... they would certainly have the strongest emotions. In fact the only thing we heard form JS was a speach to his shareholders... and it was in third person for the most part... and all business and I WILL be back in my office ASAP.

It is not unheard of for a spouse or boyfriend to kill his wife or girlfriend... they are always the first to be scrutinized.... and JS has a history of violence with women. He had the strongest emotional motive to kill RZ.
 
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