NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #11

Sistah Sleuth said:

A private facebook group? Invited members should be those who have been keeping this thread alive consistently which is only a handful.

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you have to make it "secret" not just closed. Otherwise, the info is visible to anyone who has the link (or interest in finding it.)

yeah...facebook is tricky

but you can make it private...but then you have to keep it that way,

I'm not well versed in Facebook but we need to do something.

Well, nothing is really private these days with hackers and such is it? I am a member of a few FB groups which are invite only. If one is a member of an invite only group, is the group still public for all to see even if it's member's only? Maybe the group name could be nondescript? I dunno. Do the group members have access to your private information? Just some questions I have as I've never set up a group.

Judy'sSisterMaureen, Glad to see you are joining in the discussion. 31 years is a long time miss your beloved Judy. Go with your gut feeling and never give up on finding her. I think this SK has been active for quite some time.

I am going to clean out my pm box now

wm

goathairjones said:

Dormer said Tuesday that investigators now believe the slayings may be the work of a single serial killer because of where the victims were dumped and their ties to the sex industry.

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They obviously knew from the beginning "where the victims were dumped" and still said it was different killers, even after some of the bodies were linked to Manorville. Maybe they found a link while processing the forensic evidence.

stillwatersc said:

They obviously knew from the beginning "where the victims were dumped" and still said it was different killers, even after some of the bodies were linked to Manorville. Maybe they found a link while processing the forensic evidence.

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Maybe they identified one of the Jane/John Does and were able to link them to a suspect. They were supposed to release the sketch of the Jane Doe whose legs were found near Davis Park in 1996 back in mid September and never did. I have been wondering why. Could Jane "Fasciotomy" Doe have been the missing link?

Maybe the sk left some sort of communique in that recent suitcase torso dump. He probably left a note stating something to the effect of, "Put your heads together and find mine!"

Sistah Sleuth said:

We need to be able to post without any restraints in terms of ideas, observations etc. I now realize the importance of having a closed group.

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I understand what your concern is, bou can't have a closed group. That's contrary to the entire spirit of this site, first of all. Secondly, how do achieve that? How do you determine who gets in?! You can't! We actually have no idea who, in reality, anyone one is on this site anyway. You have to come on here understanding that and understanding that there is a definite likelihood that criminals - not just in this case, but in all the cases discussed on here - could be perusing the posts. And so what? We're all speculating, in the end. The person who has done this knows what he knows and probably has taken steps to protect himself from all possibilities anyway. He will be caught in spite of that.

truthspider said:

Maybe they identified one of the Jane/John Does and were able to link them to a suspect. They were supposed to release the sketch of the Jane Doe whose legs were found near Davis Park in 1996 back in mid September and never did. I have been wondering why. Could Jane "Fasciotomy" Doe have been the missing link?

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Does anyone have more information about the findings in Davis Park, including any newspaper articles? I couldn't find anything on the internet and when it was mentioned in the paper a few months ago that was the first I'd ever heard of it. I thought it was thrown out there in a sort of cavalier way - (wait wait wait - WHAT? There were severed legs found in Davis Park? Hello? Could you give us a little more info please?!)

I had a share there 2 years ago and if I had known that, I probably wouldn't have gone there. It's really desolate there - there's long stretches of government land bordering both sides and therefore sometimes you can walk a long way on the beach without seeing very many people, and sometimes without seeing anyone at all.

I used to always wonder why more things don't happen on Fire island - it's so desolate in places. Probably because vehicle access is so restricted and while they don't keep tabs on every visitor, locals would likely notice anything out of place or unusual. Anyone up to something nefarious would still stand a good chance of being noticed - you couldn't very easily just "slip" away.

Clem Snide said:

God JVM sucks. This is awful journalism. I did enjoy how she referred to Dormer as Richard "Doorman". Way to grill him on whether they had a suspect or not after you interrupted him three times. Maybe if you let him talk you could get an answer to your question.

Plus, her hair looks suspect. Is that some kind of weave?

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Haha! That's hilarious.

waltzingmatilda said:

I agree truthspider. When Dormer stated that Shannan is not connected to the other murders, I immediately thought "He's BSing." OB was the last place Shannan was seen, she hasn't been found, there's no body to determine if she was strangled, dismembered, wrapped in burlap, so how can he be certain there's no connection.

LE lies sometimes to protect the integrity of their case.

MOO

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What a relief. I just assumed they were stupid and got p'd off! I take it back!

truthspider said:

None of these charges can even be related to the gilgo/SG case:

Strip Club Extortions
Visa Fraud Conspiracy
Conspiracy to Transport, Harbor, and Induce Entry of Illegal Aliens
Marriage Fraud Conspiracy

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Uh yes they can.

For starters, MP (SG's driver) was convicted of transporting an illegal alien with a fake passport. Somebody like him doesn't act alone when fake passports are involved. It is obvious that he was working for a higher organization helping them sneak illegal aliens into this country to put them to work in the sex trade industry.

Secondly, the strip clubs are linked to prostitution.

Finally, some of the accused mobsters have family members in the Oak Beach & Gilgo Beach communities.

Seaslug44 said:

Uh yes they can.

For starters, MP (SG's driver) was convicted of transporting an illegal alien with a fake passport. Somebody like him doesn't act alone when fake passports are involved. It is obvious that he was working for a higher organization helping them sneak illegal aliens into this country to put them to work in the sex trade industry.

Secondly, the strip clubs are linked to prostitution.

Finally, some of the accused mobsters have family members in the Oak Beach & Gilgo Beach communities.

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There certainly can be a connection but I think we are talking about two entirely different types of criminals. LISK is literally a whole 'nother animal of criminals.

snapdragon2 said:

Does anyone have more information about the findings in Davis Park, including any newspaper articles? I couldn't find anything on the internet and when it was mentioned in the paper a few months ago that was the first I'd ever heard of it. I thought it was thrown out there in a sort of cavalier way - (wait wait wait - WHAT? There were severed legs found in Davis Park? Hello? Could you give us a little more info please?!)

I had a share there 2 years ago and if I had known that, I probably wouldn't have gone there. It's really desolate there - there's long stretches of government land bordering both sides and therefore sometimes you can walk a long way on the beach without seeing very many people, and sometimes without seeing anyone at all.

I used to always wonder why more things don't happen on Fire island - it's so desolate in places. Probably because vehicle access is so restricted and while they don't keep tabs on every visitor, locals would likely notice anything out of place or unusual. Anyone up to something nefarious would still stand a good chance of being noticed - you couldn't very easily just "slip" away.

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Trust me when i tell you the legs were not discarded by the SK in Davis Park, they drifted down to Davis after the blizzard of 96 (Jan 6th, 1996) Gilgo beach lost 50-75 feet of sand during that storm to give you an idea about the tidal surge that occurred (see attached FEMA doc). The legs were in a plastic bag when they were discovered on the bayside shoreline. The legs were found on April 11th, 1996 by two Fire Island residents.

"The toenails of one foot were painted red and the right leg had 3 1/2-inch scar on the rear calf and L-shaped scar on the shin. The left leg had a 3 1/2-inch scar on the inner side." (Long Island Beach Bones Tied to 1996 Remains - NBC New York)

I have speculated that this first (known) victim from 1995 was not a prostitute, but someone that the SK came across and was drawn to. The first victim of a SK is usually someone they knew. He likely removed her legs because of the identifiable characteristics of the operation scars on her legs. The partially painted toe nails could indicate that she was wearing a cast on one of her legs during the time she painted the nails, hinting that the scars may have been from a recent operation.

I have been a water rat and surfer since I could crawl in these parts. I know the barrier island like the mangy fox that dwell in the dunes. I have slept under boardwalks and in deer dens behind the dunes (don't ask, I was a teenager). I spend every minute that I can on the barrier island even when the ferries stop running and everyone's water is off. In short, the legs drifted from Oak Beach (sorry Dormer).

I posted about this a few times but couldn't find the one with the pics etc. so I am posting again. This area is a catchment that seems to grab anything drifting past.

truthspider said:

I posted about this a few times but couldn't find the one with the pics etc. so I am posting again. This area is a catchment that seems to grab anything drifting past.

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This is good information but needs to be in a separate thread for this victim. It is hard to dig it out of here.

Disregard if previously expounded upon....

Article: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

"And in the latest surprise, the Oak Beach man who hired her that night says — for the first time — why Gilbert made a hasty exit from his place and why they never had sex: He thought she might be a man. Though he denies any role in the disappearance, he says he understands people might have looked at him with suspicion in the days afterward."

Cleared my a$$ (sorry the lack of movement on this case is starting to p*ss me off). This guy is as much (or as good) a suspect as any other players in this story. He is my number 1. Now out of nowhere he conjures up this “thought she was a tranny and kicked her out” BS…..well I don’t buy it as BS. But I do think he let the cat outta the bag with this comment. And the fact a Transvestite was one of the victims found murdered, this makes him culpable again in my book. Maybe that is how this all started. Hired a female prostitute that turned out to be a man. Maybe some sort of sexual favor was performed before he found this out, in the subsequent rage, he killed this person. Now forever stained by this deceit, he has been luring and killing prostitutes ever since. His transvestite comments cannot be ignored especially since the body of one was recovered. He clearly has a fear or apprehension associated with his secured prostitutes possible being transvestites. Plus this changes his original story of “she started becoming irrational and he asked her to leave”. In cases like these, you look for those who keep changing their story. His story changed, so his status as “cleared” should change as well. And the mentioning that she was possibly a "man" was meant to demean, hurt and further inflict pain upon her faimly.

Here is our "cleared" POI's resume to date:

- Confirmed troller of Prostitutes on Craigslist. All victims were secured via Craigslist.
- Last residence that SG was seen alive
- Dumping Ground found near his residence
- Has “Tranny” concerns with the prostitutes he hires. Transvestite was one of the victims.

Also I pulled this quote from an old article about JB, “Getting into his car, Brewer told the PIX 11 News, "I feel sorry for the true victims, I really do.". Any other day I would of read right by this without much of a thought, but for some reason, today I read it as he feels sorry not for the prostitutes, but for (My interpretation) their kids and family that they ruined with their drug use and prostitution. The “true” victims. And this is not a solitary thought as previous killers have put forward these same thoughts about "if they are on the corner tricking and under the influence of narcotics, who is at home watching their kids.". I do not have a link or anything, it was just a line of thinking I remembered from reading previous cases.

SK_Hunter said:

Here is our "cleared" POI's resume to date:

- Confirmed troller of Prostitutes on Craigslist. All victims were secured via Craigslist.
- Last residence that SG was seen alive
- Dumping Ground found near his residence
- Has “Tranny” concerns with the prostitutes he hires. Transvestite was one of the victims.

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Bolded - Possible but not confirmed this was how the SK secured his victims. Just because they advertised there doesn't mean that was his method of finding them. Would be helpful to know what % of escorts from that area advertise on CL. Also, it's less likely the earlier victims posted on CL - how long has CL been available?

all of the reports today are saying police rec'd new evidence Wednesday...and that's why they are now saying all 10 bodies are linked.

IMO, that most likely means forensic evidence links the bodies.