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Darlie Routier Darlie Routier is on death row, convicted of murdering her two sons. Darlie claims that an intruder attacked her and the boys and is responsible. Many feel Darlie deserves a new trial. Discuss it here.


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Old 02-06-2012, 11:41 AM
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What one thing made you sure of her guilt or innocence?

I have started reading over the transcripts and I noticed that many of those that deem her guilty usually respond to those with doubts with "just READ the transcripts!!" So, what is it in the transcripts (for you) that makes you think guilty and if you read them and still think innocent, what makes you think that?

Just curious here (I, for one, think she is absolutely guilty, and I haven't finished reading the transcripts yet.)
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:16 PM
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I have started reading over the transcripts and I noticed that many of those that deem her guilty usually respond to those with doubts with "just READ the transcripts!!" So, what is it in the transcripts (for you) that makes you think guilty and if you read them and still think innocent, what makes you think that?

Just curious here (I, for one, think she is absolutely guilty, and I haven't finished reading the transcripts yet.)
The blood evidence convinces me of her guilt. All of it from the cast-off blood from both boys on her nightshirt to the clean up at the kitchen sink, the lack of blood where there should be blood and blood where there shouldn't be. Once you know the blood evidence, there is no way to give her an out.

Pay particular attention to her testimony and Darin's. Read Linch's and Cron's testimony carefully. Read the blood expert Bevel's testimony. Read the medical staff testimony where it proves the photos of her bruises and all her injuries were discussed and shown to the jury.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:37 PM
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I was just looking for the transcripts online. Do either of you have a link?

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Old 02-28-2012, 07:41 PM
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I was just looking for the transcripts online. Do either of you have a link?

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www.routiertranscripts.com

Click on "evidence" On the right hand side you will see "trial transcripts" in the menu.

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Old 02-29-2012, 10:25 AM
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I forgot to add that before I started checking out the transcripts, I listened to the 911 call over and over. The first time I heard it, I felt very strongly that she was guilty. It sounds so fake to me. One of the most telling parts in the call is when Darlie says to Darin, in a hissy, ticked off voice: (paraphrasing) "Someone who did it came in here and intentionally did it DARIN!" She sounds like she is trying to get her story in line with Darin's for when the police start questioning her.
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I forgot to add that before I started checking out the transcripts, I listened to the 911 call over and over. The first time I heard it, I felt very strongly that she was guilty. It sounds so fake to me. One of the most telling parts in the call is when Darlie says to Darin, in a hissy, ticked off voice: (paraphrasing) "Someone who did it came in here and intentionally did it DARIN!" She sounds like she is trying to get her story in line with Darin's for when the police start questioning her.
I know what you mean. In fact the tone of voice sounded to me very defensive.

And yet, it makes me feel physically ill to think she could have done this. But if you don't listen to anything the defence or prosecution say- ie no opinions and just look at the FACTS, they point to the fact that there was no one else in that house that night. And thats something I cannot get past.

It's just something within me pulls back because its so crazy and sickening to think she could do it. I want to believe so much that she didn't.

On another note, I showed this interview to my husband actually: http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video...rders-13366836 He doesnt know too much about it- just what I've told him.

I said "What do you think? Guilty or innocent?" and he laughed and said "Are you KIDDING ME? Shes a psychopath. She’s really scary. It’s bloody obvious!”

EDIT: Despite everything, I just don't and can't believe she did this. It's like I can't make the final commitment to her being guilty. My brain won't allow it. It's too horrid.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:34 AM
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Wow Emma, you summed up my feelings about this exactly! I think the reason why I spent so much time looking at the facts of this case and actually wanting to read everything I can about it, is because I really, really, really want to believe and find her innocent. I can only conclude that she is definitely guilty, but it is such a horrid, terrible, unimaginable crime for a mother to commit, that I really wish it had been an intruder.
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I have started reading over the transcripts and I noticed that many of those that deem her guilty usually respond to those with doubts with "just READ the transcripts!!" So, what is it in the transcripts (for you) that makes you think guilty and if you read them and still think innocent, what makes you think that?

Just curious here (I, for one, think she is absolutely guilty, and I haven't finished reading the transcripts yet.)
Lack of blood and fingerprints in places they should be.
No intruder is going to spend their time doing that.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:04 AM
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I never read any transcripts, but the 911 recording hissy fit and saying that she picked up the knife and just lay it on the counter without knowing if the guy left or not. The forsensics and the pattern of the wounds. To me, there seemed to be a pattern to the boys' wounds and Darlie's except hers weren't deep and puncturing. The wounds seemed to have been premeditated on how to do them, IMO.
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I don't know that I would pinpoint just one thing, but the items that convinced me of her guilt are as follows:
1. The screen fibers found on the knife in the butcher block, demonstrating that the screen was cut by someone already inside the house.
2. The hesitation wounds on Darlie's neck, versus the vicious puncture wounds to the small children.
3. The cast-off blood on the back of her nightshirt, which has no other way to get there if she were lying on the couch when the boys were attacked.
4. Evidence of clean-up at the kitchen sink.
5. The improbability of an intruder butchering two helpless children before gently nicking the throat of the adult in the room.
6. Lack of motive for an intruder - jewelry was untouched, and you don't slice the throat of the woman if you are there for sexual assault.
7. Evidence that showed staging of the crime scene; such as the vacuum laid down on top of blood stains.
8. Darlie's own behavior after the murders wouldn't have convinced me by itself, but in concert with the aforementioned evidence, simply solidified my belief in her guilt.
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The blood evidence convinces me of her guilt. All of it from the cast-off blood from both boys on her nightshirt to the clean up at the kitchen sink, the lack of blood where there should be blood and blood where there shouldn't be. Once you know the blood evidence, there is no way to give her an out.

Pay particular attention to her testimony and Darin's. Read Linch's and Cron's testimony carefully. Read the blood expert Bevel's testimony. Read the medical staff testimony where it proves the photos of her bruises and all her injuries were discussed and shown to the jury.

RBBM: Exactly, Cami. She's as guilty as sin.
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I believe she is guilty based on:

1. The 911 call - I've worked as a 911 dispatcher, she is the WORST actress I've ever heard.

2. The tape of her and Darin at the grave site, where she says: "We'll have to live with this for the rest of our lives." and Darin jumps in with [what she means is] "we'll have to live with the loss of our sons [for the rest of our lives]".

3. Darlie's own words - she conveniently "forgets" or "can't remember" things about that night. Her testimony speaks volumes.

4. The injuries - an intruder would not viciously stab two children to death in that manner and leave an adult witness with only superficial injuries (and I don't give a flip that her neck wound is only 3 mm from her carotid artery - she just got lucky when she sliced herself).

5. Nothing was taken, not even the jewelry left on the counter.
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I know what you mean. In fact the tone of voice sounded to me very defensive.

And yet, it makes me feel physically ill to think she could have done this. But if you don't listen to anything the defence or prosecution say- ie no opinions and just look at the FACTS, they point to the fact that there was no one else in that house that night. And thats something I cannot get past.

It's just something within me pulls back because its so crazy and sickening to think she could do it. I want to believe so much that she didn't.

On another note, I showed this interview to my husband actually: http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video...rders-13366836 He doesnt know too much about it- just what I've told him.

I said "What do you think? Guilty or innocent?" and he laughed and said "Are you KIDDING ME? Shes a psychopath. Shes really scary. Its bloody obvious!

EDIT: Despite everything, I just don't and can't believe she did this. It's like I can't make the final commitment to her being guilty. My brain won't allow it. It's too horrid.
I just watched the interview and was shocked that Darlie has such a nice singing voice. Do you know if she ever tried to do anything with her talent?
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The one main thing that Darlie did that made me think she was guilty was how happy she was at the grave. I'm not just talking about the silly string either. I could see that she was radiating happiness that day because she thought she had just got away with murder. Kinda like her thinking that she had pulled the wool over everyones eyes. She was trying very hard to play the part of grieving mother but her excitement/happiness was just oosing from her IMO.
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I know what you mean. In fact the tone of voice sounded to me very defensive.

And yet, it makes me feel physically ill to think she could have done this. But if you don't listen to anything the defence or prosecution say- ie no opinions and just look at the FACTS, they point to the fact that there was no one else in that house that night. And thats something I cannot get past.

It's just something within me pulls back because its so crazy and sickening to think she could do it. I want to believe so much that she didn't.

On another note, I showed this interview to my husband actually: http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video...rders-13366836 He doesnt know too much about it- just what I've told him.

I said "What do you think? Guilty or innocent?" and he laughed and said "Are you KIDDING ME? Shes a psychopath. Shes really scary. Its bloody obvious!

EDIT: Despite everything, I just don't and can't believe she did this. It's like I can't make the final commitment to her being guilty. My brain won't allow it. It's too horrid.
She's such a liar, Damon could not have walked and talked with six stab wounds in his back, into his liver and lungs. All the poor child could do was drag himself away from that knife to no avail.
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Initially when the 911 call first begins, she sounds very upset and I thought "what is all this talk about this woman faking that she is distraught?, she sounds very upset". Well. Just a minute into the call, you can tell by her voice tone she is faking it. Several things point to her doing this:

1. You can tell she is lying by what her apparent concern is - herself. Initially, she doesnt say 'my children have been stabbed'. Note: she says "ME and my children..I was asleep." She put herself FIRST. Mentioning that she was asleep straight away? She is attempting to set up an alibi.

2. When she says: "Someone who did it came in here and intentionally did it DARIN! I PROMISE!" That? right there. "I promise".... What the? An innocent person would NOT say this!

3. When the 911 operator tells her to not touch the knife, she says she touched it and picked it up. A little bit later, she says "if we could have gotten fingerprints off it.." Really? Your boys are dying, stabbed numerous times, and she isn't concerned about her kids? The ONLY thoughts and words out her mouth at this time should, and would, be ONLY to her concern of the children.

Then if you get into the blood evidence, it only emphasizes her guilt.

This lady, is a psychopath.
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