jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #50 *may contain graphic and adult content*

sleuth21 said:

Long time lurker first time poster here. I signed up just to post on this issue:

I've seen a lot of people curious about whether or not the DT had access to the magazines. I'm a criminal attorney but not in AZ. In my jurisdiction if you don't use a piece of evidence in your case in chief you don't have to disclose it and can hold it back for impeachment use. You have to wait for a certain witness to testify and wait for them to tell the lie and then lay it on them with the "extrinsic" (outside/extra evidence) to show they are lying. Doing this early in cross is also called "paper training the witness" to condition them to believe that every time they lie and know there may be other evidence out there that they are lying (like other written evidence) they assume you've got it when you ask the ? and then start picking up papers like you've got something and give up trying to lie. I thought that Miss Smirky Pants JA looked a great deal more humble when this came out and her DT looked very shocked. I would bet big $$ that when the mags didn't show up in discovery she didn't think JM had them and definitely didn't tell her DT. I've had clients like her and had this happen.

Just my 2 cents. I was really impressed with JM at that moment. He set her up for that one very nicely and I suspect there could be more to come.

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Hello. I just got logged-on, and this is my first post. I hope it is appropriate that I post my 2 questions here.

1. Would somebody please either private message me or post (whichever is appropriate) and bring me 'up to speed' about who that woman is who sits behind alone at the table immediately behind the 2 defense attorneys? I have a theory about why she is 'really' there, but need to confirm that she is connected to the defense and what her 'role' is said to be. You'all may have already analyzed this matter, so I apologize if I am causing repeating.

2. I am actually somewhat of an Old Timer and recognize a few posters. I had posted a long, long time ago concerning murderer 'prostitute chocolates & roses buyer - use surgical gloves' Dirk Greineder (ick), and double murder 'throw the ladies down the staircase and then whack their heads with the blowpoke' murderer Mike Peterson (euw). And, who can forget, murderer Scott Peterson (whose ...was it his half sister???... wrote a book and said she thought he told his pregnant wife he'd rub her back in the backyard pool and drowned her --- that half sister said after the murder Scott kept cleaning and scrubbing and pouring bleach into the pool).

I am wondering if a few of the Old Timers I remember still post here, so I'd appreciate an email or private message, so that I could ask about a few people. TY !!

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I am trying to read all I can and get caught-up, but the postings are prolific. Some of the posts here are incredibly funny.

Juanette said:

Hi everyone! I am newly registered but have been lurking in regards to this case. This case is what has brought me to WebSleuths. Years ago, I saw the 48 Hours on Jodi Arias. I immediately felt for Travis Alexander and his family. As I've been watching this case (I watch all of it on Youtube), I feel more and more empathy for Travis Alexander and his family. It has been absolutely disgusting to see Jodi Arias drag his name through the mud on what are obviously false charges. I absolutely love Juan Martinez and have been on the edge of my seat watching him question Jodi Arias. I LOVED how he basically tore apart her pedophilia allegations and can't wait to see where he's going with his questioning. I think it's safe to say I have a bit of a crush on him, though would never stalk and peep in his windows or throw a Toblerone at him. I have just been so proud of the way he has has represented Travis!

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Welcome to Websleuths! I love your user name. :rocker:

:welcome4:

christee said:

I haven't read back today so this may have been asked and answered but was the court reporter accused of not doing her job correctly, being related to someone connected to the trial, and having an interest in the outcome of the trial? This seems desperate to me but it may be normal considering who's on trial.

Court reporter issue is the very last page (page 5).
http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/Stay.pdf

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That's standard to certify the transcript. No issue.


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StephanieHartPI said:

I feel bad for his family right now, and have made no decisions of hers yet. If they believe her, then I don't feel bad and tend to think she is mentally ill because that runs in the family so they don't think there is anything wrong with her.

If they are simply supporting her as their daughter, their sister, fine, but stop the giggling. It's inappropriate beyond words

I would like to keep living in fantasy land and thinking they are horrified at what she did and wish they could speak to Travis' sisters and brothers but they just can't right now. They can't do that during their daughters trial.

If she were my sister, I would be sitting on the other side hoping she is not getting out because she would scare the daylights out of me. I'd visit her behind glass telling her "OMG i wish you could come home!" doing that hold my hand to the glass to touch her (crossing my fingers with my other hand saying Jesus please don't let her out, i''m skeered...)

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I agree ,,you wrote what i was trying to say,,thanks

camcneishg said:

well, maybe it wasn't Phoenix OREGON after all, wouldn't that be something....

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I see what you're saying. Yes it would turn things on their head! However I feel it was JM testing how well JA remembers her tale. I spotted a couple of other examples too. He asked if she was working at a certain restaurant when he knows full well she was at a different one. She didn't slip up but corrected him.

I lived most of my life in the UK but have a good geographic knowledge of the US. Nonetheless for the past few weeks I've had a map of the western States open in my browser to help!

MinnesotaMary said:

Hello. I just got logged-on, and this is my first post. I hope it is appropriate that I post my 2 questions here.

1. Would somebody please either private message me or post (whichever is appropriate) and bring me 'up to speed' about who that woman is who sits behind alone at the table immediately behind the 2 defense attorneys? I have a theory about why she is 'really' there, but need to confirm that she is connected to the defense and what her 'role' is said to be. You'all may have already analyzed this matter, so I apologize if I am causing repeating.

2. I am actually somewhat of an Old Timer and recognize a few posters. I had posted a long, long time ago concerning murderer 'prostitute chocolates & roses buyer - use surgical gloves' Dirk Greineder (ick), and double murder 'throw the ladies down the staircase and then whack their heads with the blowpoke' murderer Mike Peterson (euw). And, who can forget, murderer Scott Peterson (whose ...was it his half sister???... wrote a book and said she thought he told his pregnant wife he'd rub her back in the backyard pool and drowned her --- that half sister said after the murder Scott kept cleaning and scrubbing and pouring bleach into the pool).

I am wondering if a few of the Old Timers I remember still post here, so I'd appreciate an email or private message, so that I could ask about a few people. TY !!

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I am trying to read all I can and get caught-up, but the postings are prolific. Some of the posts here are incredibly funny.

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1. That's the mitigation specialist who's trying to save Jodi from Death Row.

2. I followed Dirk Greineder, Michael Peterson AND Scott Peterson (actually attended that trial, live blogged from it and ended up with my friend producing a piece of evidence accidentally that was used in the rebuttal case). I've always had this name so you might remember me if you posted on the old Court TV boards.

Welcome! :seeya:

Ramblinrose01 said:

I would feel alot worse for JA's mother and aunt if they would stop all of the smiling, laughing, smirking and chatting during this horrific trial. I didn't see that out of her dad, brother and sister when they were there. :banghead:

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So true

Good point about not having to disclose impeachment or rebuttal evidence. So maybe this did come as a surprise to the defense attorneys.

One of the reasons I thought the defense must have had it is because there was a pre-trial motion to compel production of all materials related to the "attempted interrogation" of Matt McCarthy, and the judge ordered the state to turn over everything they had -- and one of Jodi's attorneys later acknowledged that she had received all of the materials in the State's possession.

minor4th said:

Good point about not having to disclose impeachment or rebuttal evidence. So maybe this did come as a surprise to the defense attorneys.

One of the reasons I thought the defense must have had it is because there was a pre-trial motion to compel production of all materials related to the "attempted interrogation" of Matt McCarthy, and the judge ordered the state to turn over everything they had -- and one of Jodi's attorneys later acknowledged that she had received all of the materials in the State's possession.

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BBM this is really huge and new info to me!

I hope this means we get a whole lot more of this down the pike!

katiecoolady said:

Wow just thought for the first time this whole story could likely be fabricated from her obsession with Travis' blog "why I want to marry a gold digger". :what:

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SO MUCH OF HER TESTIMONY CAN BE LINKED TO BOOKS, TV and MOVIES!

Full disclosure notice! This post is a combination of observations I worked on with a fellow sleuth whom wants to remain UN-named and whom is brilliant! :seeya: my partner in crime! LOL

Here is her list of movies from myspace: Note the ones in RED!
Ace Ventura, Pet Detective -- Anchorman -- Braveheart -- Charlie and the Chocolate Factory -- The Color Purple -- Crash -- The Count of Monte Cristo -- Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon -- Down With Love -- Dumb and Dumber -- Edward Scissorhands -- The Emperor's New Groove -- The Fifth Element -- Forest Gump -- House of Flying Daggers -- Ice Age -- Independence Day -- Legends of the Fall -- The Lion King -- Memoirs of a Geisha -- Mission to Mars -- The Notebook -- O Brother Where Art Thou? -- The One -- Shallow Hal -- Shanghai Noon -- Sleepy Hollow -- Soul Plane -- The Secret -- The Truman Show -- What Dreams May Come



If you watch: House of Flying Daggers movie you will be dumbfounded by the parallels -- I really do believe that movie affected Jodi profoundly, and that she either consciously or subconsciously incorporated many many scenes, images, and thoughts from the movie into her life. Wow. :what:

Even to the point of killing someone you love, out of a code of personal honor, because they have rejected you and have moved on... and the victim even had a premonition the killer would do so.

Just a small taste from the movie; bear in mind that these are English subtitles, imperfectly translated from Mandarin:

K= Killer(Jilted lover)
V= Victim
L= Victim's chosen lover

K: (anguished and furious) I sacrificed three years for you! How can you love him after just three days?

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L: When can we meet again?
V: It can't happen. We're from different worlds. If we meet again, one of us is going to die.

--

(Victim has been stabbed in the heart by Killer for deciding to depart to accompany her chosen Lover on a journey of escape; she is dying.)

K: (angry, tears) You are the love of my life! I can't force you to love me. But you cannot go with him! It will cost you your life. You see? You made me destroy you.

V: (dying, stabbed through the heart) I knew that you would do this.

K: (losing it) You knew, and you will go anyway?? (freaks out, raging; angry with Victim for 'making' him do this) WHY?? WHY??

(Victim falls. Killer screams in anguish.)

--

The movie also includes:

The lover getting turned on after dressing the female in boy's clothes.

A woman expertly throwing lethal knives, causing a stab in the throat, and causing another person's throat to be slit.

The same woman, sweet and childlike, being arrested, interrogated by the police (martial) and threatened with torture... but she remains demure and doesn't give up her secrets.

A dance scene (subliminal sex scene) in what amounts to a brothel, where the man is very drowsy, almost falling asleep at times. He is a guy who is discussed as a colossal "flirt." In the scene, his arousal seems to include sadistic or degrading elements toward the woman. She is child-like and yet she is a stunning virtuoso at dancing (subliminal sex). She is not what she seems. She pretends to be blind. She pretends to be naive. She has secret motives.

The scene plays out similar to Jodi's 'phone sex recording,' even to the point of the sleepy man and the stealthy seductive woman singing together; him sounding sleepy, silly and off-key; her doing her best in her little girl voice.

^And notably, in this scene, the man uses his sword to cut the rope-braid closures on her clothing, and rather violently removes her outer garment.




He also attacks her by "lunging at her like a linebacker," grabbing her, spinning her around, throwing her face down and getting on top of her so she can't get up... like JA's lying testimony about TA.



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She does the backward yoga stretch, too. All the way, head upside down, just like Jodi did in the interrogation room.





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The girl is ordered by a female superior that she must kill the man she loves. "I have a task for you... He is no longer of use to us. You will take him out, kill him. He's a danger to our plan. His death is necessary to guard against future trouble."

--

When the girl is arrested, the police search her room and find a set of deadly knives. It is highly incriminating evidence. This is what leads to her interrogation. She is cool and courageous, and keeps up her cover with them.



There are many, many other parallels. Sorry to sound obsessive or boring, but it was really interesting to me. And there are other parallels in the Memoirs of a Geisha movie, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ---- all starring the same actress, Zhang Ziyi -- I think Jodi believes she resembles this actress. Again, all three movies are on her list of favorites on her myspace.


The actress, Zhang Ziyi:




Another backbend, in the Geisha movie:




And colored contacts in the Geisha movie:

(Like Jodi's)




In Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Zhang Ziyi's character is very memorable. Here's a screenshot and a blogger's explanation of the appeal of the character:


From "What Archetypes Do You Identify With Most?"
Note that in this movie, just like in the Flying Daggers movie, her character pretends to be young, sweet, and innocent... but is in actuality secretly a super-skilled, highly trained weapons-expert warrior wearing a sword and a ninja outfit. (again, this coorelates to my theory of her using MMA to kill Travis)

This is her sweet little cover persona; a pampered beauty, who yearns for more out of life, and who secretly sneaks out of her father's house at night:

And as a ninja warrior/sneaky thief:

FWIW, the same actress wore pigtails in her breakout role in another movie, The Road Home; her lover was a teacher with young boys as students:

Based on this and sooooooooooo many other examples that have been cited (Psycho comparison comes to mind!) -- Jodi may go down as the Plagiarism Psycho Killer.

sleuth21 said:

Long time lurker first time poster here. I signed up just to post on this issue:

I've seen a lot of people curious about whether or not the DT had access to the magazines. I'm a criminal attorney but not in AZ. In my jurisdiction if you don't use a piece of evidence in your case in chief you don't have to disclose it and can hold it back for impeachment use. You have to wait for a certain witness to testify and wait for them to tell the lie and then lay it on them with the "extrinsic" (outside/extra evidence) to show they are lying. Doing this early in cross is also called "paper training the witness" to condition them to believe that every time they lie and know there may be other evidence out there that they are lying (like other written evidence) they assume you've got it when you ask the ? and then start picking up papers like you've got something and give up trying to lie. I thought that Miss Smirky Pants JA looked a great deal more humble when this came out and her DT looked very shocked. I would bet big $$ that when the mags didn't show up in discovery she didn't think JM had them and definitely didn't tell her DT. I've had clients like her and had this happen.

Just my 2 cents. I was really impressed with JM at that moment. He set her up for that one very nicely and I suspect there could be more to come.

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Thanks for those 2 cents...very interesting. Happy to have another legal eagle's brain to pick !!

Lucylu7 said:

I am praying that no one stops in for an unexpected visit,my SIL sometimes does,that's bad,I know!

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Y'know, it sounds to me like you're coming down with the flu. I'd call all of your friends and family and tell them to stay away because you don't want them to get sick too. I hope you feel better at the end of the week. :innocent:

Marah said:

why was she smiling in her mug shot?

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This mugshot, IMO, says it all--psycho. I have always thought this was the most *telling* pic out of ALL of them. :moo:

BritsKate said:

Jodi offered that she knew Travis' garage and ATM pin #s in one of her police interviews with Flores.

AFAIK Jodi is the only one to claim that Travis himself gave her that information.

ETA: And Skip, get better by Monday! :blowkiss:

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Awww… Thank you Brits :blushing:

A_News_Junkie said:

SO MUCH OF HER TESTIMONY CAN BE LINKED TO BOOKS, TV and MOVIES!

Full disclosure notice! This post is a combination of observations I worked on with a fellow sleuth whom wants to remain UN-named and whom is brilliant! :seeya: my partner in crime! LOL

Here is her list of movies from myspace: Note the ones in RED!
Ace Ventura, Pet Detective -- Anchorman -- Braveheart -- Charlie and the Chocolate Factory -- The Color Purple -- Crash -- The Count of Monte Cristo -- Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon -- Down With Love -- Dumb and Dumber -- Edward Scissorhands -- The Emperor's New Groove -- The Fifth Element -- Forest Gump -- House of Flying Daggers -- Ice Age -- Independence Day -- Legends of the Fall -- The Lion King -- Memoirs of a Geisha -- Mission to Mars -- The Notebook -- O Brother Where Art Thou? -- The One -- Shallow Hal -- Shanghai Noon -- Sleepy Hollow -- Soul Plane -- The Secret -- The Truman Show -- What Dreams May Come



If you watch: House of Flying Daggers movie you will be dumbfounded by the parallels -- I really do believe that movie affected Jodi profoundly, and that she either consciously or subconsciously incorporated many many scenes, images, and thoughts from the movie into her life. Wow. :what:

Even to the point of killing someone you love, out of a code of personal honor, because they have rejected you and have moved on... and the victim even had a premonition the killer would do so.

Just a small taste from the movie; bear in mind that these are English subtitles, imperfectly translated from Mandarin:

K= Killer(Jilted lover)
V= Victim
L= Victim's chosen lover

K: (anguished and furious) I sacrificed three years for you! How can you love him after just three days?

--

L: When can we meet again?
V: It can't happen. We're from different worlds. If we meet again, one of us is going to die.

--

(Victim has been stabbed in the heart by Killer for deciding to depart to accompany her chosen Lover on a journey of escape; she is dying.)

K: (angry, tears) You are the love of my life! I can't force you to love me. But you cannot go with him! It will cost you your life. You see? You made me destroy you.

V: (dying, stabbed through the heart) I knew that you would do this.

K: (losing it) You knew, and you will go anyway?? (freaks out, raging; angry with Victim for 'making' him do this) WHY?? WHY??

(Victim falls. Killer screams in anguish.)

--

The movie also includes:

The lover getting turned on after dressing the female in boy's clothes.

A woman expertly throwing lethal knives, causing a stab in the throat, and causing another person's throat to be slit.

The same woman, sweet and childlike, being arrested, interrogated by the police (martial) and threatened with torture... but she remains demure and doesn't give up her secrets.

A dance scene (subliminal sex scene) in what amounts to a brothel, where the man is very drowsy, almost falling asleep at times. He is a guy who is discussed as a colossal "flirt." In the scene, his arousal seems to include sadistic or degrading elements toward the woman. She is child-like and yet she is a stunning virtuoso at dancing (subliminal sex). She is not what she seems. She pretends to be blind. She pretends to be naive. She has secret motives.

The scene plays out similar to Jodi's 'phone sex recording,' even to the point of the sleepy man and the stealthy seductive woman singing together; him sounding sleepy, silly and off-key; her doing her best in her little girl voice.

^And notably, in this scene, the man uses his sword to cut the rope-braid closures on her clothing, and rather violently removes her outer garment.

He also attacks her by "lunging at her like a linebacker," grabbing her, spinning her around, throwing her face down and getting on top of her so she can't get up... like JA's lying testimony about TA.

--

She does the backward yoga stretch, too. All the way, head upside down, just like Jodi did in the interrogation room.

--

The girl is ordered by a female superior that she must kill the man she loves. "I have a task for you... He is no longer of use to us. You will take him out, kill him. He's a danger to our plan. His death is necessary to guard against future trouble."

--

When the girl is arrested, the police search her room and find a set of deadly knives. It is highly incriminating evidence. This is what leads to her interrogation. She is cool and courageous, and keeps up her cover with them.



There are many, many other parallels. Sorry to sound obsessive or boring, but it was really interesting to me. And there are other parallels in the Memoirs of a Geisha movie, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ---- all starring the same actress, Zhang Ziyi -- I think Jodi believes she resembles this actress. Again, all three movies are on her list of favorites on her myspace.


The actress, Zhang Ziyi:

Another backbend, in the Geisha movie:

And colored contacts in the Geisha movie:

(Like Jodi's)

In Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Zhang Ziyi's character is very memorable. Here's a screenshot and a blogger's explanation of the appeal of the character:


From "What Archetypes Do You Identify With Most?"

Jen from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Stole a magical sword, beat the **** out of everybody, lost her virginity to a gorgeous gypsy bandit, threw herself off a mountain because back in those times, she pretty much broke every social norm expected of a young lady of her social standing, including dishonouring her family and causing the death of two famous, honoured swordsmen (Michelle Yeoh and Chow Yun-Fat). I felt sorry for Jade Fox, her mentor/personal servant, when I heard her say that the grandmaster of Wudang was happy to sleep with her, but would not teach her swordfighting. That, for me, was the crux of the movie: Jen was the tragic fruit borne out of the seeds of Jade Fox's bitter need for revenge against men and the expected social norms of Chinese women at that time.
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Note that in this movie, just like in the Flying Daggers movie, her character pretends to be young, sweet, and innocent... but is in actuality secretly a super-skilled, highly trained weapons-expert warrior wearing a sword and a ninja outfit. (again, this coorelates to my theory of her using MMA to kill Travis)

This is her sweet little cover persona; a pampered beauty, who yearns for more out of life, and who secretly sneaks out of her father's house at night:

And as a ninja warrior/sneaky thief:

FWIW, the same actress wore pigtails in her breakout role in another movie, The Road Home; her lover was a teacher with young boys as students:

Based on this and sooooooooooo many other examples that have been cited (Psycho comparison comes to mind!) -- Jodi may go down as the Plagiarism Psycho Killer.

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House of Flying Daggers is one of my favorite martial arts movies of all time. My son does Wushu and has since forever... I've had to sit thru every martial arts flick ever made....most are not very good IMO

Edited to add lots of martial arts flicks contain a rape, a sweet innocent that could kill etc...

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Sydni said:

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Yes - true. And, besides, didn't she say that she called him first to say she needed to come over to get her Social Insurance Card out of some boxes in the garage. So why would he be making out with somebody if he was expecting her to show up. Especially if he was aware (sure he was) of her stalking behavior. JMO

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Very good point! Never thought of it that way! :rocker:

sleuth21 said:

Long time lurker first time poster here. I signed up just to post on this issue:

I've seen a lot of people curious about whether or not the DT had access to the magazines. I'm a criminal attorney but not in AZ. In my jurisdiction if you don't use a piece of evidence in your case in chief you don't have to disclose it and can hold it back for impeachment use. You have to wait for a certain witness to testify and wait for them to tell the lie and then lay it on them with the "extrinsic" (outside/extra evidence) to show they are lying. Doing this early in cross is also called "paper training the witness" to condition them to believe that every time they lie and know there may be other evidence out there that they are lying (like other written evidence) they assume you've got it when you ask the ? and then start picking up papers like you've got something and give up trying to lie. I thought that Miss Smirky Pants JA looked a great deal more humble when this came out and her DT looked very shocked. I would bet big $$ that when the mags didn't show up in discovery she didn't think JM had them and definitely didn't tell her DT. I've had clients like her and had this happen.

Just my 2 cents. I was really impressed with JM at that moment. He set her up for that one very nicely and I suspect there could be more to come.

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WELCOME!!!

And how very interesting...love the paper training, LOL

Looking forward to more of your insight as we go along....

Although nothing TA did would justify JA's killing him... I can't help but wonder why he didn't end things with her sooner. She displayed VERY worrisome signs...stalking, spying, slashing tires... Sure, she was a mayonaise jar always ready to indulge him, but was he so naive not to see concerns? Was he just thinking with his little head? Were there not other available women to satisfy his sexual appetites?

OMG this Jodi Arias Trial photo album has quite a few amusing photos of our [unusual person], Defendant, JA..lol
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.160510210691796&type=3