Linda7NJ
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schoolwork? He should not be getting schoolwork....nor should he get exercise.![]()
Why not?
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schoolwork? He should not be getting schoolwork....nor should he get exercise.![]()
schoolwork? He should not be getting schoolwork....nor should he get exercise.![]()
schoolwork? He should not be getting schoolwork....nor should he get exercise.![]()
WARNINGS have been posted in this thread that the Idaho family is off the table. I have no idea why posters think the facebook and/or other information should be posted here, but I will start issuing TOs from this point on for any poster that again posts info on the Id family.
Salem
When a home becomes a crime scene, the others who live there generally end up living in hotels/motels, eat out, and have to drive a lot. How long this takes will vary depending on the crime. Knowing this I wanted to donate a gas card. So I asked someone who knows the family if this is something that they could use. "Oh no no no, cash only and sent it to the bank in Lindon!" Wow ok, so I called Lindon bank and find out I need a subpoena to get name of who opened the account. That's fine but I had no idea what the funds were really for. That is my experience with donating to this situation.
I know that sometimes kids with everything going for them, a good family, a good home environment, no divorce between their parents, lots of friends, etc. make some really bad decisions that have made me gasp. So to answer you better if I hear about a 15 year old girl that does coke I am not going to think her parents are crappy, unless there is more than one reason to believe they haven't been the best for her. That said, I'm far from perfect.If IF had stabbed a little girl who was not related to him 21x, do you think more people would blame the parents? I think about how whenever I hear about a child or teenager doing something bad, people always go after the parents. If you hear about a 15-year-old girl who does coke, are you going to think the parents must be pretty crappy? Probably. Are people reluctant to put any blame on the parents in this case due to the fact that their daughter was also murdered? If IF had killed an 8-year-old neighbor girl, would the reaction towards the parents be even worse?
He's a kid. A boy. He's 12 years old. Even with what he's accused of I have such compassion for him.schoolwork? He should not be getting schoolwork....nor should he get exercise.![]()
I know that sometimes kids with everything going for them, a good family, a good home environment, no divorce between their parents, lots of friends, etc. make some really bad decisions that have made me gasp. So to answer you better if I hear about a 15 year old girl that does coke I am not going to think her parents are crappy, unless there is more than one reason to believe they haven't been the best for her. That said, I'm far from perfect.
He's a kid. A boy. He's 12 years old. Even with what he's accused of I have such compassion for him.
MOO
You are a far more compassionate person that I! That kid scares me. A 12 year old capable of such a horrid, vicious and repetitive stabbing of a little girl....shiver!
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Meeting I.
At last Wednesday’s hearing I met I. Fowler for the first time, albeit only via introduction by his attorney Mark Reichel (www.reichelplesser.com). We were in court and there was no time to converse with the young man. It is difficult to get too much of a read on him, but he does look very tired. As you would expect with a 12 year old, it is difficult to determine during so brief an encounter if he fully understands everything that is going on around him. He was very quiet and reserved, but did make eye contact with everyone.
Mr. Mellen’s Statements
Now to the comments about Mr. Mellen’s statements regarding what he did and did not see on the morning of the stabbing. After carefully reviewing the limited evidence provided to this point by the police, Mr. Mellen does not live across the street from the Fowler residence, except in a fairly broad definition of that term. His address appears in the Police Reports.
Imagine that you are standing in the street facing the Fowlers’ residence. To left the road goes up hill toward central Valley Springs and the baseball fields where the Fowlers were watching the game that morning. To your right the street runs downhill in the direction of Mr. Mellen’s home. Running Mellen’s address through Google maps, Mellen’s house is at least six (6) houses downhill from the Fowler’s. In addition he has a sizable tree in the front yard.
The Fowlers would have returned to their house that morning from the opposite direction. After coming over the apex of the road, they would have almost immediately turned into their driveway. The odds seem very small that anyone living at least six houses down the street would have noticed them arriving. It should be pointed out that in this neighborhood the lots are large and the homes are not wedged up against each other. The point is the Fowlers did not go past Mellens’ house when they rushed home that morning.
Where were the dogs?
One neighbor I interviewed wondered where the Fowlers’ dogs were on the morning of the attack and where they have been since. This neighbor was sure the Fowlers kept two (2) dogs at the house, one of which was always tied up near the front door. That neighbor need not worry about the dogs. The Fowlers never owned any dogs while living at the house. Neighbors right around the Fowlers’ house confirmed that the previous tenants had two dogs that were treated poorly. One witness said that one of the dogs was tied up to the bumper of a truck regardless of the weather. The same neighbors confirmed that there were no dogs at that location for at least a year and half.
The Search Warrant Rumor
One member of the press asked if it was true that Mr. Fowler would not let police into the house when they arrived without a warrant. The report by the Officer who arrived first at the scene included no such claim and every subsequent report of interviews with Mr. Fowler show that he was extremely co-operative with the police.
Okay, I am confused about what is going on with Mellen's statements. Did he tell LE that the family arrived home earlier than they said? Because it seems like the investigator is saying that Mellen's house is too far away for him to have seen the family arrive home. Why is the investigator discounting Mellen's statement that he saw the family arrive home--unless Mellen is claiming that someone in the family arrived home at a different time than they claim to?
My compassion comes because he's still a child and I haven't walked in his shoes or felt his pain. Nothing but nothing gives anyone the right to do such a thing but if I is guilty of this I do hope he'll be under good psychiatric care, but I'm hoping that for the whole family after loosing beautiful Leila. I wouldn't want to walk in any of their shoes and am sorry they have to.You are a far more compassionate person that I! That kid scares me. A 12 year old capable of such a horrid, vicious and repetitive stabbing of a little girl....shiver!
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I say not true. We have no idea if I is on any medication.He scares me too .. The photos of him are not normal .. He just stares blanky at nothing just in front of the lens it seems .. I know that has zero real value, but there's something way wrong.
Oh yeah .. And he also stabbed his sister 21 times and left her to die.
If IF had stabbed a little girl who was not related to him 21x, do you think more people would blame the parents? I think about how whenever I hear about a child or teenager doing something bad, people always go after the parents. If you hear about a 15-year-old girl who does coke, are you going to think the parents must be pretty crappy? Probably. Are people reluctant to put any blame on the parents in this case due to the fact that their daughter was also murdered? If IF had killed an 8-year-old neighbor girl, would the reaction towards the parents be even worse?
I do think the reaction would be worse. When it is siblings I think people see it as a "family issue" and it seems easier to consider that there may be a reason for it, since they have extensive background together. There seems to be less outrage too, because the incident was targeted making us think that our own family was safe, since they were only after one person.
Okay, I am confused about what is going on with Mellen's statements. Did he tell LE that the family arrived home earlier than they said? Because it seems like the investigator is saying that Mellen's house is too far away for him to have seen the family arrive home. Why is the investigator discounting Mellen's statement that he saw the family arrive home--unless Mellen is claiming that someone in the family arrived home at a different time than they claim to?
He scares me too .. The photos of him are not normal .. He just stares blanky at nothing just in front of the lens it seems .. I know that has zero real value, but there's something way wrong.
Oh yeah .. And he also stabbed his sister 21 times and left her to die.[/QUOTE]
He is "accused" of doing this. Just remember-many people have been falsely accused of horrific crimes and we have been "certain" they were the monsters-only to find out years later that they were completely innocent. This is a child who stands accused of a horrible murder and regardless of what his photos show and deserves due process and a presumption of innocence.
While I realize this is a message board and not a court of law, I really don't think that it is fair to jump to using these words, as if they are fact. JMO
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Dinaslala, I've posted a couple times asking for your insight and knowledge about some things as a verified member on this thread and a friend of P's. Perhaps you didn't see my posts so I'll ask the same questions here:
This was my last post:
Does P have family in N. CA?
Yes she has a couple of family members that she is close to, but not super close by..
Wondering if L&I ever had a relationship with their maternal grandparents and aunts and uncles, etc...
Unfortunately no..her father passed away years ago and B wasnt pro active in helping them to see other family...
and if her family is comforting her at this time when she certainly must need support.
They do what they can, when they can.. thankfully.. and yes they did attend L's funeral
Did you know her before she fell on hard times?
Yes, I've known her half her life
Has B had physical custody of the kids since their split or were they living with her?
I cant say definitively..sorry
Has she shared why/who kept her from attending the funeral?
BF kept her from attending.. because he could..plain, pure and simple
IMO**As if she didn't deserve or earn the right to be there because of the living situation she could not provide for them..
As a matter of fact he still refuses to let her visit him (I) in the detention center.
And before everyone goes off about the legality of it, yes, he can do this..
We looked into it with an atty and if I could raise the money and retain her services, I would in a heartbeat. No she does'nt NEED one to change the orders but with something like this I think we all can agree it would be BEST if she did.
Hopefully, others are not trying to make her feel like she is to blame for this.
Not yet..For now it's just the hateful, condescending remarks about her "abandoning" them. **Which is UNTRUE, she left their dad.. NOT them..
Sorry if these questions were already asked/answered. If so, I didn't see the posts.