GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #8

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Maybe this will help with the car/tarp discussion: BBM

Owen Whiddon was riding his scooter when he spotted a gray tarp wrapped around what he suspected was a heap of trash wrapped tightly with a belt at Roundrock Drive and Cindy Lane. He alerted his mother, Katie Whiddon.
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Owen tried to move it, but it was too heavy. He looked under the tarp and saw a little girl, her head covered with a bag. She was not fully clothed and her arms and legs appeared to be bound.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metr...th-of-young-girl-dumped-on-saginaw-street.ece

ETA: I am wondering why this would be "too heavy" for a 14 yr old. Alanna was not a large child- and just turned 6. She probably weighed 60 pounds at the most.

"The average 6-year-old is about 42 inches tall and weighs almost 50 pounds."

http://www.babycenter.com/6_your-6-year-old-growing-up_10329817.bc


bolded blue by me: I think maybe it was just heavier and had a different "feel" to it than what he was expecting. Also, lifting 50-60 pounds up from the ground ... that does take a little heave-ho, I think, for almost anybody. That's like a jumbo sack of dog food -- pretty hard to first get it hoisted up, even if you can carry it pretty easily once you do.
 
But the body was in a big tarp. Is somebody going to drive around with a body in a tarp sitting next to them on a seat?

If they are willing to strip and murder a 6 year old child and leave her in the street like garbage, why would they be squeamish about riding around with her in the car?

Back seat would be exactly same issue as the trunk. Somebody would have to get out of the car and then get the body out either the trunk or back seat.
In fact it would likely take more time to get the body out of the back seat than a trunk.

The back seat or the trunk would be more difficult. We do know that Alanna was found in the street, and the general consensus is that it's unlikely to have fallen off a truck. (I can link you to posts about that discussion if you missed them) We can't know how it got there. All we can do here is say, "maybe it was like this." and then some theories we can rate as less likely, and others as more likely based on logic. None of us can prove anything, and I certainly don't imagine I can get inside the perp's head. So if a particular theory doesn't suit you, you can shrug it off and move on. It saves wading through a lot of circular posts where folks go around and around the same unanswerable question. Here's a potential scenario that I posted way back on thread 6. It's not implausible:

… snipped by me… Usually there aren't traffic cameras in neighborhoods at stop signs, you only get them at big high traffic intersections. Perhaps our perp was avoiding being caught on camera. To dump her in a dumpster behind a business would risk being seen by surveillance cameras. If the perp took her far away S/he would have been missed from being gone too long, AND driven through multiple intersections with cameras.

Didn't we discuss up-thread somewhere that the place in the street where she was dumped was blocked from view from most of the houses? Or at least the passenger's side of the car was facing into a fence I believe. It may have been more private than we think.

This may be graphic, (I never know what's graphic to some, because I'm not squeamish) if you load her into the tarp and into the car inside a garage, then you could prop her on the floor of the vehicle, leaning against the door, so that her weight would slide out onto the curb when you stop at the stop sign and quickly open the passenger door and slide her out. 1, 2, 3, done. I think you could do that very quickly. She was at a STOP sign wasn't she? Goin back to double check.
 
Have you ever heard the term "dead weight"? Try and move say, a sleeping hog that doesn't want to be moved. It might only be 60lb but its a ton of hog if it's asleep or resisting.

Also, we don't know the size of the 14 year old. Some of them are still tiny especially a boy who hasn't quite reached puberty yet.

I have a son who will turn 13 next month. His 9 yo brother outweighs him and can pick him up and carry him around, the older one weighs only about 60 lbs, soaking wet. So yes, he could have been small, also, it may be as another poster suggested, it was heavier than he expected. Something made him look under to see what the heck was so heavy.
 
Here, I put the timeline in with the quote level removed, this way it can be quoted again, and the links will get forwarded along with it.

 
I've tweaked the timeline with a few more details...



[*] Noon (Approx) LG leaves to drive LDhummingbird, friend and verified insider, home.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9677907&highlight=errands#post9677907

[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) Neighbor sees Alanna playing on his front lawn with his grandchildren @ approx. 2 PM. http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=214092951&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247

[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) One WS opinion of time that the video of one of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778


[*] Time Unkown "MM <snip> typically works from home and was home with the children and gave Alanna permission to go out and play with a specific neighbor, who was not at home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888


[*] 4:00 (Approx) LG arrives home from driving friend (LDhummingbird) home. " Alanna was not at home when LG got home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888 AND http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688489&postcount=781


[*] 4:00 - 4:30 One WS opinion of time that the video of the other of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778


[*] "Midafternoon" First possible witness reported sighting of tarp, as per Macon description http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html

[*] 6:00 PM (Latest) " By 6 PM, Alanna's mother and older sister began looking for her."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888


[*] 7:00 PM Tarp spotted no later than 7:00 PM as per Macon http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html

[*] 7:15 PM (Approx) Alanna's body was found by teenagers at approx. 7:15 PM

[*] 7:33 Tarrant County Medical Examiner declares Time of Death http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/...rl-identified-as-6-year-old-alanna-gallagher/

[*] 8:00 PM Tweet by Fox4 reporter &#8207;@Saulgarzafox4 2 Jul: Neighbor says the victim's Father knocked on his door asking if he had seen his daughter around 8pm #SaginawMurder https://twitter.com/Saulgarzafox4

[*] 8:42 PM Sunset http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856


[*] 9:10 PM Twilight http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856
 
This PDF file of a "crash" course in physics doesn't directly answer the question about the physics involved in a load falling out of a pickup truck bed, but it does explain and explore inertia and acceleration, and it addresses what's involved in a crash test dummy falling off the tailgate of a pickup when it accelerates. It's a high school level lesson, and it's from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety:

Understanding Car Crashes: It's basic Physics.
 
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bolded blue by me: I think maybe it was just heavier and had a different "feel" to it than what he was expecting. Also, lifting 50-60 pounds up from the ground ... that does take a little heave-ho, I think, for almost anybody. That's like a jumbo sack of dog food -- pretty hard to first get it hoisted up, even if you can carry it pretty easily once you do.

I thought it was stated that she was very small for her age ? Also some tarps are really heavy .
 
Just curious-why did it take four hours to drive a friend home? Where did the friend live?

Also, July 1 was a Monday. Did KG not work that day?

Sorry if this has already been cleared up. Still catching up.
 
Based on what I've read from media reports, Facebook posts and posts on WS, it's my theory that the tarp was not on the street at 4:30 p.m. but was on the street by 5:45 p.m.
 
Just curious-why did it take four hours to drive a friend home? Where did the friend live?

Also, July 1 was a Monday. Did KG not work that day?

Sorry if this has already been cleared up. Still catching up.

LDh said she lives just over an hour away. She got home at 2:30pm and LG should have got home by 4pm. Also I'm sure I read they ran some errands on the way to dropping LDh home, although don't quote me on that.

KG was at work yes. There was only MM left in the house when LG dropped her friend home.
 
Also, we don't know the size of the 14 year old. Some of them are still tiny especially a boy who hasn't quite reached puberty yet.

I met the younger boy and I'm surprised to hear he's 14. He was about as tall as my 11 year old. How old is the other boy ?
 
Just curious-why did it take four hours to drive a friend home? Where did the friend live?

Also, July 1 was a Monday. Did KG not work that day?

Sorry if this has already been cleared up. Still catching up.

Here are the two posts that explain the timeframe.

The 4 pm time is an estimate, but a fairly close one. I got home at 2:30 and I live a little over an hour away from Saginaw, so LG should've arrived shortly before or at 4 pm. 6 pm time of beginning to look for her is as per LG, and I don't know how exact it is but as much as she's talked to LE she's probably pretty certain of her timeline.

I've only seen reports of one neighbor saying he saw Alanna out playing and don't remember off the top of my head if there was a time attached to that.

Actually, we left shortly after noon. We ran a couple of errands along the way.
 
LDhummingbird, was it unusual for MM to be home alone with the children? It sounds like LG was at home with them most of the time. She is not employed outside the home, and does not have paid employment that she does from home either right? So she's a FT mom? Was he working that day? I believe I read that he works from home. I'm just trying get a picture of how unusual or typical the circumstances were.

(My DH travels, but works from home. So there are times, if he's in town, I can go to the grocery store or to a doctors appointment, and leave them with him, even though he's working. But, he's pretty busy on the phone and doesn't especially engage with them much, my older boys fix my daughter's lunch, etc. Just trying to get a picture, what the atmosphere was like.)
 
LDhummingbird, do you know if Alanna spent much time folding the laundry with the other kids? Did the other two kids spend any time outside (front yard or street) while LG was gone? Were the other two children and MM all at home when LG returned? I'm wondering if we can get a little closer on a few of the times in the timeline. Thanks!
 
I've tweaked the timeline with a few more details...

[*] Noon (Approx) LG leaves to drive LDhummingbird, friend and verified insider, home.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9677907&highlight=errands#post9677907

[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) Neighbor sees Alanna playing on his front lawn with his grandchildren @ approx. 2 PM. http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=214092951&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247

[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) One WS opinion of time that the video of one of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778

[*] Time Unkown "MM <snip> typically works from home and was home with the children and gave Alanna permission to go out and play with a specific neighbor, who was not at home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888

[*] 4:00 (Approx) LG arrives home from driving friend (LDhummingbird) home. " Alanna was not at home when LG got home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888 AND http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688489&postcount=781

[*] 4:00 - 4:30 One WS opinion of time that the video of the other of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778

[*] "Midafternoon" First possible witness reported sighting of tarp, as per Macon description http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html

[*] 6:00 PM (Latest) " By 6 PM, Alanna's mother and older sister began looking for her."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888

[*] 7:00 PM Tarp spotted no later than 7:00 PM as per Macon http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html

[*] 7:15 PM (Approx) Alanna's body was found by teenagers at approx. 7:15 PM

[*] 7:33 Tarrant County Medical Examiner declares Time of Death http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/body-of-murdered-saginaw-girl-identified-as-6-year-old-alanna-gallagher/

[*] 8:00 PM Tweet by Fox4 reporter &#8207;@Saulgarzafox4 2 Jul: Neighbor says the victim's Father knocked on his door asking if he had seen his daughter around 8pm #SaginawMurder https://twitter.com/Saulgarzafox4

[*] 8:42 PM Sunset http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856

[*] 9:10 PM Twilight http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856

This looks pretty good, but there is an area I think needs to be cleared up. It was reported that the body was found at approximately 7:15 (I believe that may be from the time of the 911 call0, but the ME puts the time of death at 7:33. I think it's safe to say that one of those times is wrong, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed if she wasn't dead when she was found. MOO
 
This looks pretty good, but there is an area I think needs to be cleared up. It was reported that the body was found at approximately 7:15 (I believe that may be from the time of the 911 call0, but the ME puts the time of death at 7:33. I think it's safe to say that one of those times is wrong, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed if she wasn't dead when she was found. MOO

The time of death is the official time that a professional (LE or Medical emergency tech) declared her dead. It has no relation to the time she was killed. imo
 
This looks pretty good, but there is an area I think needs to be cleared up. It was reported that the body was found at approximately 7:15 (I believe that may be from the time of the 911 call0, but the ME puts the time of death at 7:33. I think it's safe to say that one of those times is wrong, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed if she wasn't dead when she was found. MOO

Maybe it's just the wording that is confusing.
She was pronounced dead at 7:33
 
Just curious-why did it take four hours to drive a friend home? Where did the friend live?

Also, July 1 was a Monday. Did KG not work that day?

Sorry if this has already been cleared up. Still catching up.
It's posted on here somewhere that they had to run some errands.
 
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