WA WA - Seattle, WhtFem 30-50, 159UFWA, alias 'Mary Anderson', copper IUD, breast surgery scars, Oct'96

As of today, I am in contact with the NamUs Missing Persons Regional Administrator for the case of MARY CORRINE AMOS. After presenting the possible similarities between her and Mary Anderson, it will be looked into further and sent forward.

I presented the digital comparisons (see post #336) and the made the case for the following:

*When Amos disappeared, there were few to no details. Jane Doe's death was the same way.

*Both are in the 5'7" range of height.

*Both have brown hair.

*Both have dental plates.

*Amos used several aliases and used the first name "Mary" for some of them. Jane Doe used "Mary Anderson."

*Even though there is a difference in weight. Both have similar facial features. It's possible that Amos gained weight through the years since her disappearance (as what is stated for the weight of Jane Doe).

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/amos_mary.html
 

I am not happy with the age, though. Mary Anderson was thought to be, roughly, 33-45, even if she looks kind of older in the pictures. In 1996, Mary C. Amos was, or would have been, around 64. I don't claim age-estimating to be more than an educated guess, but 20-30 years off the mark would be a heck of a misfire. Also, and this is a minor thing, but, a quick question to the women of the board; Ladies, would you willingly keep an IUD in for a good 10-15 years after menopause? Because my thinking, as a guy, is that you would want something like that removed once it is no longer doing any work. It might not be on the top of the to-do list, as long as it is not hurting anything, but a decade is a pretty long time.

I am not saying it is definitely not her, I am just saying, I have my doubts.


On another note, there seems to be a lot of confusion around the disappearance of Mary Amos, online. A lot of sources states that she was last seen in 1968, which I am willing to accept as a repeated transcribing error, for 1986, since other sources say around 1987. Also, some sources say she was reported missing in 1991, others say 12 years went by, from the last confirmed sighting. Trying to find sources that agree on even the most basic details of her disappearance is a mess.


(First time poster, by the way. Hello, everybody).
 
Welcome Lkj and thanks for your insights. I agree with your logic and it seems like some clarificarion on Ms. Amos status is definitely in order.
 
Just some thoughts.

Maybe we should look at "reported missing" dates later than 1996. Mary may not have had any family around, but someone may have noticed her missing, but in 1997.

The breast scars. Could those have been caused by surgical biopsy or lumpectomy? (spelling?)

Religion. I don't know. Her photo looks like she could be Jewish, along with the "dark skinned" quote article. But, really, could be any religion and get a Bible and open it to Psalm 23. Everyone knows Psalm 23 by that name. So a Bible and Psalm 23 don't mean much to me.

The clear faking of her name, address, phone number, trying to be sure no one new about her death, taking "a" name off a prescription bottle (what was the prescription, the medication?), and somehow obtaining cyanide and taking a large enough dose, suggest she did not want someone to know she killed herself. Someone she cared for and did not want to burden. (Wonder if the FBI did any checks to see if how many internet cyanide purchases were made that year and by whom? Would the FBI do that in a suicide case? Is cyanide easily purchased?) Also, doubt she was from NY or near there if going to such lengths to disguise her real identity, or at least had not lived there since a very small child.

Choosing room 214. Valentine's Day is a great guess! Could also have been an important date of meeting someone she loved, getting engaged, marrying someone, divorce finalized, or the death date of someone. Heck, it could be her birth date.

Not sure the newspaper and maple leaf mean anything other than her taking in the world in her last few hours. I'm going to go back and look at the pdf's provided for the newspaper.

Trying to figure out what State to even begin looking in for missing reported, but am mulling over these thoughts and all of those posted here.
 
I would look into recently a retired, fired or laid off chemist or chemical engineer with a background in either drinking water treatment or waste water treatment. Cyanurate reagent pillows are used to measure total ammonia in drinking and waste water. She would have access and knowledge about cyanide toxicity.


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It must be because I'm getting older, but I really didn't realize how *young* this woman was!

^^That's a really good article - I don't understand the difference between case file and police report.

Her case file has been archived, a thick stack of dead ends and unanswered questions, shut in manila folders and buried in the county's morgue.

Records of the police investigation have been destroyed.


Is the police report a part of the case file?
 
Sorry if this upsets anyone, but I would be willing to bet quite a lot that this is NOT Mary Corrine Amos.

For one, it would imply that Ms. Amos managed to live completely hidden and off grid for a long time, while at the same time seemingly being able to take care of herself reasonably well, have money etc.

But the big thing is the faces don't match. They just don't. Yeah, they are close and the angles are a bit off, but there are some things that can be used to show they are not a match.

Probably the easiest is the age lines that come from nose down to around the mouth, roughly framing where a man would have a mustache.

On Mary Corrine Amos, these lines begin above the flare of the nostril and then curve down and end on the sides of her mouth. On Mary Anderson, they are not the same. They start lower. This does not change with age.

Mary Corrine Amos also has a different shape to her nose. This could be changed with plastic surgery. Here's a better photo: http://www.missingin.org/reg1829/mary_corrine_amos.htm
http://www.missingin.org/images/missing/NAT_2856_1.jpg

There are differing scars mentioned. Also, her eyes are listed as green.

I'm quite sure they are not the same.

As for Mary Anderson, there are some pieces of information that I'd like to find out. There's no info about the cyanide. What was it? Sodium cyanide? Potassium cyanide? Powdered? Granulated? Any impurities? Was it regnant grade? Technical grade?

This might sound a bit odd to concentrate on, but cyanide is not that easy to come by. It would probably be easier these days because the internet could be used to find a supplier, but in 1996, you'd have to track down a chemical supplier. Or it could be obtained from a laboratory or industrial user.
 
I think she used sodium dichloroisocyanurate which is used to measure total ammonia in water. You can get it pretty easily...especially if she worked in a lab.


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I find this person a bit interesting. Some discrepancy in the time missing on different sites. One says January 1 1998 (Which probably means exact date unknown but reported in 1998)

Another says October 1996

Right build and age. Hair is different in photo.

The height is a bit off. But then again, it's possible that when she was reported missing they only had an estimate.



https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=2013000044&id=6

http://www.missing-u.ca/Photos.aspx?PersonID=2113

http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=2113
 
I find this person a bit interesting. Some discrepancy in the time missing on different sites. One says January 1 1998 (Which probably means exact date unknown but reported in 1998)

Another says October 1996

Right build and age. Hair is different in photo.

The height is a bit off. But then again, it's possible that when she was reported missing they only had an estimate.



https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=2013000044&id=6

http://www.missing-u.ca/Photos.aspx?PersonID=2113

http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=2113

The third link states she was unable to use her left arm.

The earlier linked article states that she carried two bags into the hotel and was unremarkable to staff there.

Those two things don't fit well together.

:twocents:
 
I still think a DNA sample from Mary Anderson and Judith Erin O'Donnell would NOT be a bad idea. Again, the differences from the two parties can be easily explained away but the similarities of both of them have haunted me since I wrote the post over a year ago. Something inside is nagging me about this case and I do wish there was some way to compare their DNA's as I know there is a sample of Judy's families DNA back east.
 
She could have worked in a jewelry store or for a jeweler too. Well dressed women with expensive purses normally have jewelry and the fact she doesn't screams of "identifying her."
 
Sorry if this upsets anyone, but I would be willing to bet quite a lot that this is NOT Mary Corrine Amos.

For one, it would imply that Ms. Amos managed to live completely hidden and off grid for a long time, while at the same time seemingly being able to take care of herself reasonably well, have money etc.

But the big thing is the faces don't match. They just don't. Yeah, they are close and the angles are a bit off, but there are some things that can be used to show they are not a match.

Probably the easiest is the age lines that come from nose down to around the mouth, roughly framing where a man would have a mustache.

On Mary Corrine Amos, these lines begin above the flare of the nostril and then curve down and end on the sides of her mouth. On Mary Anderson, they are not the same. They start lower. This does not change with age.

Mary Corrine Amos also has a different shape to her nose. This could be changed with plastic surgery. Here's a better photo: http://www.missingin.org/reg1829/mary_corrine_amos.htm
http://www.missingin.org/images/missing/NAT_2856_1.jpg

There are differing scars mentioned. Also, her eyes are listed as green.

I'm quite sure they are not the same.

As for Mary Anderson, there are some pieces of information that I'd like to find out. There's no info about the cyanide. What was it? Sodium cyanide? Potassium cyanide? Powdered? Granulated? Any impurities? Was it regnant grade? Technical grade?

This might sound a bit odd to concentrate on, but cyanide is not that easy to come by. It would probably be easier these days because the internet could be used to find a supplier, but in 1996, you'd have to track down a chemical supplier. Or it could be obtained from a laboratory or industrial user.

I never believed it was Ms. Amos either just because of the DOB being so far off and a medical examiner could never make a mistake like that - several years, yes all bodies can differ but not that many.
 
It must be because I'm getting older, but I really didn't realize how *young* this woman was!

^^That's a really good article - I don't understand the difference between case file and police report.

Her case file has been archived, a thick stack of dead ends and unanswered questions, shut in manila folders and buried in the county's morgue.

Records of the police investigation have been destroyed.


Is the police report a part of the case file?

No one has ever provided a police report of this case, nor the medical examiner notes, etc... that I have seen. Several have said they were contacting the examiner's office but have never posted the results of that contact or any contents.
 
I was looking through the LAPD's Wanted Persons (http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted) thinking about a completely different UID and noticed a woman, named Shoshanna Shambi who committed insurance fraud in 1994. She is the same height as Mary Anderson and weighs less (but if her weight was taken from her driver's license, I could understand giving the DMV a lower estimate). Maybe it is just me, but when I look past the big hair, I can really see a resemblance between Shoshanna and Mary. I wish that they provided more information about the wanted person.
shambi_shoshana.jpg
http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted/most_wanted_view/12706
 
Shoshanna is Hebrew for "lily." Is there any hint of Jewish-ness in the case? Or complete avoidance?

(Yes, this name could have been selected by this woman in adulthood.)

Could relate to the no-jewelery pointed out by Glo.
 

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