The Pineapple

[mjak]

I have never been able to figure out when Jonbenet ate this pineapple.
I don't think a monster who has broken into the house to abuse and/or murder this child is going to take this child down to the kitchen and give her a snack.
If the Pineapple had been posined I would think forensics would have determined that by now. An innocent late night snack seems unlikely to me. As these children had probably been consuming christmas goodies all day and had a holiday dinner and desert. they went to bed late and with what I would imagne were fully stomachs. Not the night I would expect the kids to get up for a midnight snack. Were fingerprints ever found on the bowl or spoon? This is one of those things that tends to make me question the Ramseys description of what went on in that house that night. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

mjak

[BlueCrab]

Originally Posted by mjak

I have never been able to figure out when Jonbenet ate this pineapple.
I don't think a monster who has broken into the house to abuse and/or murder this child is going to take this child down to the kitchen and give her a snack.
If the Pineapple had been posined I would think forensics would have determined that by now. An innocent late night snack seems unlikely to me. As these children had probably been consuming christmas goodies all day and had a holiday dinner and desert. they went to bed late and with what I would imagne were fully stomachs. Not the night I would expect the kids to get up for a midnight snack. Were fingerprints ever found on the bowl or spoon? This is one of those things that tends to make me question the Ramseys description of what went on in that house that night. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

mjak

mjak,

My guess is, based on the condition and location of the pineapple in the small intestine, JonBenet ate the pineapple about one hour before she died. JonBenet was in full rigor when carried upstairs from the basement at 1:05 PM on the 26th, which means she likely died approximately 12 hours prior, or 1:00 AM. This in turn suggests she ate the pineapple around midnight.

Other than the pineapple, there was no other food in JonBenet's stomach or small intestine, suggesting she hadn't eaten anything since the cracked crab meal she consumed at about 7:00 PM at the White's house. The cracked crab meal had been digested and was represented by soft green fecal matter in her large intestine.

The fingerprints of Patsy Ramsey and Burke Ramsey were found on the small bowl containing the pineapple left out all night on the breakfast room table. A giant over-sized serving spoon stuck out of the small bowl. Fingerprint test results from the spoon were never released. In addition to the bowl of pineapple, a waterglass containing a spent tea bag, and a large box of Kleenex napkins were on the table. Burke was the resident tea drinker. Fingerprint test results from the waterglass were never released.

The breakfast room table arrangement had four chairs, each of them assigned to a Ramsey. The pineapple was close to JonBenet's normal place at the table, and the waterglass was near Burke's normal place at the table.

BlueCrab

[capps]

Quote by BlueCrab:
"The fingerprints of Patsy Ramsey and Burke Ramsey were found on the small bowl containing the pineapple left out all night on the breakfast room table. A giant over-sized serving spoon stuck out of the small bowl. Fingerprint test results from the spoon were never released. In addition to the bowl of pineapple, a waterglass containing a spent tea bag, and a large box of Kleenex napkins were on the table. Burke was the resident tea drinker. Fingerprint test results from the waterglass were never released.

Why would they give the information that fingerprints of Patsy and Burke were on the bowl,but hold back about fingerprints,(if any),on on the spoon or tea glass?

I think there's a lot more evidence out there,that we do not know about.

[jubie]

In the "Death Of Innocence" (Or rather 'The Defense of John and Patsy')
I don't recall them discussing the pinapple yet they seemed to defend or try to explain away so much else.... is it just me or is there no mention of it at all?


Thanks
Jubie

[trixie]

I don't know how many aspire to this idea but I have ALWAYS thought that Jonbenet never made it to bed that night at all. To me the bed doesn't look like it was slept in since Christmas morning. The pj top that Patsy "couldn't find" that night is clearly visible as if Jonbenet had peeled it off and thrown it on the bed when she got dressed Christmas day. The covers are thrown back as if she woke up excited on Christmas morning and jumped out of bed. I think somewhere Patsy said she didn't make the beds on Christmas day, I think it's in one of her police interviews but I couldn't tell you which one off hand. We know there was an argument on Christmas day about what Jonbenet should wear over to the Whites. I wonder if there was an argument that night about what Jonbenet wanted to wear to bed? Is that possibly how all this got started? BTW, back to the pineapple, obviously ,IMO, if she didn't make it to bed that night she was up when they got home. Plenty of opportunity to eat pineapple. OK, since I'm a thread killer I guess I should apologise to the thread starter. Sorry mjak.

[narlacat]

I tend to agree.

I don't think JonBenet went to bed that night either, if she did, working with the estimated time of her death, she wasn't in bed for long.
Which gave her plenty of time for the snack of pineapple.

[Linda7NJ]

Originally Posted by trixie

I don't know how many aspire to this idea but I have ALWAYS thought that Jonbenet never made it to bed that night at all. To me the bed doesn't look like it was slept in since Christmas morning. The pj top that Patsy "couldn't find" that night is clearly visible as if Jonbenet had peeled it off and thrown it on the bed when she got dressed Christmas day. The covers are thrown back as if she woke up excited on Christmas morning and jumped out of bed. I think somewhere Patsy said she didn't make the beds on Christmas day, I think it's in one of her police interviews but I couldn't tell you which one off hand. We know there was an argument on Christmas day about what Jonbenet should wear over to the Whites. I wonder if there was an argument that night about what Jonbenet wanted to wear to bed? Is that possibly how all this got started? BTW, back to the pineapple, obviously ,IMO, if she didn't make it to bed that night she was up when they got home. Plenty of opportunity to eat pineapple. OK, since I'm a thread killer I guess I should apologise to the thread starter. Sorry mjak.

Wasn't Burkes bed made that morning?

[Zman]

Originally Posted by capps

Quote by BlueCrab:
"The fingerprints of Patsy Ramsey and Burke Ramsey were found on the small bowl containing the pineapple left out all night on the breakfast room table. A giant over-sized serving spoon stuck out of the small bowl. Fingerprint test results from the spoon were never released. In addition to the bowl of pineapple, a waterglass containing a spent tea bag, and a large box of Kleenex napkins were on the table. Burke was the resident tea drinker. Fingerprint test results from the waterglass were never released.

Why would they give the information that fingerprints of Patsy and Burke were on the bowl,but hold back about fingerprints,(if any),on on the spoon or tea glass?


I think there's a lot more evidence out there,that we do not know about.

Of course LE never stated they were the "only" fingerprints found on the bowl.

[Brefie]

Originally Posted by Zman

Of course LE never stated they were the "only" fingerprints found on the bowl.

Perhaps - but it don't take 2 people to put one bowl away......

[capps]

Originally Posted by Brefie

Perhaps - but it don't take 2 people to put one bowl away......

Brefie,

You have to admit though,that there was "selective" information going out. Seems strange that they surely got or leaked out the prints on the bowl,which happens to be Patsy's and Burke's,but no mention or leaks of what was found on the spoon or glass.

[Zman]

Originally Posted by capps

Brefie,

You have to admit though,that there was "selective" information going out. Seems strange that they surely got or leaked out the prints on the bowl,which happens to be Patsy's and Burke's,but no mention or leaks of what was found on the spoon or glass.

There is no doubt that LE was and is more than willing to "fake" evidence in order to attempt to put pressure on suspects. It's a pattern that repeats itself over and over again. Especially through the interviews with JR and PR.

[Becba]

I am of the opinion the R's planned story was JonBenet was asleep the whole time as far as they know. I think they decided to stick to this as saying they went to bed and anything that happened after no one in the family would be responsible for as they were all asleep.

IMO, they never thought about the pineapple. Once they knew it was found they decided it is better to stick to the "we were asleep" story than trip themselves up making excuses.
They had a hard enough time being consistant with what happened the night before and that morning.

[Brefie]

Originally Posted by capps

Brefie,

You have to admit though,that there was "selective" information going out. Seems strange that they surely got or leaked out the prints on the bowl,which happens to be Patsy's and Burke's,but no mention or leaks of what was found on the spoon or glass.

Abso-flippin'-lutely.

No one wants to know as badly as me about the prints found on that glass!

[Brefie]

Originally Posted by Zman

There is no doubt that LE was and is more than willing to "fake" evidence in order to attempt to put pressure on suspects. It's a pattern that repeats itself over and over again. Especially through the interviews with JR and PR.

There is also no doubt after reading through those interviews that Patsy was willing to fake a lapse in memory. For someone who seems to remember so little about recent events, it's a wonder she was able to function on a day to day basis.

[Zman]

Originally Posted by Brefie

There is also no doubt after reading through those interviews that Patsy was willing to fake a lapse in memory. For someone who seems to remember so little about recent events, it's a wonder she was able to function on a day to day basis.

Funny, my wife would say the same thing about my memory.

Did you ever read L.A.'s deposistion regarding her lawsuit. She must say I don't remember, don't recall, don't know or I can't remember 35 times in what is a rather short interview when compared to PR's.

And to be honest I don't see why it matters. Nothing PR is "unsure" about seems to add up to a case closing shocker anyway.

[Zman]

Originally Posted by Becba

I am of the opinion the R's planned story was JonBenet was asleep the whole time as far as they know. I think they decided to stick to this as saying they went to bed and anything that happened after no one in the family would be responsible for as they were all asleep.

IMO, they never thought about the pineapple. Once they knew it was found they decided it is better to stick to the "we were asleep" story than trip themselves up making excuses.
They had a hard enough time being consistant with what happened the night before and that morning.

Well I'll tell ya Becba that's a good point.

But how do we know what was really in that bowl?
We only know LE says there was pineapple in it.
They also tell us that PR and BR prints are on the bowl but mention nothing about the spoon or glass.
Why?
For all we know it was cereal or something from that morning.
Maybe LE was just trying to trip up there suspects again with a little "made up" evidence.

[narlacat]

Originally Posted by Linda7NJ

Wasn't Burkes bed made that morning?

Apparently FW made it.

[trixie]

Yes, supposedly Fleet made Burkes bed that morning when he went up with John to wake him up. Now where did I read that......?

[trixie]

Originally Posted by Becba

I am of the opinion the R's planned story was JonBenet was asleep the whole time as far as they know. I think they decided to stick to this as saying they went to bed and anything that happened after no one in the family would be responsible for as they were all asleep.

IMO, they never thought about the pineapple. Once they knew it was found they decided it is better to stick to the "we were asleep" story than trip themselves up making excuses.
They had a hard enough time being consistant with what happened the night before and that morning.

I have to say you and I think an awful lot alike! That is exactly what I think also. Since we're of the same opinion so far I have a question for you. Just exactly when do you think John KNEW, or do you think he was in on it from the start?

[UKGuy]

Originally Posted by trixie

Yes, supposedly Fleet made Burkes bed that morning when he went up with John to wake him up. Now where did I read that......?

Now just why did he do that? Is Fleet White so organized he has to make other peoples beds up.

Why did it matter?

[Becba]

Originally Posted by trixie

I have to say you and I think an awful lot alike! That is exactly what I think also. Since we're of the same opinion so far I have a question for you. Just exactly when do you think John KNEW, or do you think he was in on it from the start?

KNEW JonBenet was dead? I think he knew that night. I have too many guesses at what may have happened, but when it did happen I think the cover up began and it was decided everyone was in bed. That way no one could slip up on a detail they didn't want out.

[Brefie]

Originally Posted by Zman

Funny, my wife would say the same thing about my memory.

Did you ever read L.A.'s deposistion regarding her lawsuit. She must say I don't remember, don't recall, don't know or I can't remember 35 times in what is a rather short interview when compared to PR's.

And to be honest I don't see why it matters. Nothing PR is "unsure" about seems to add up to a case closing shocker anyway.

Linda's depo regarding her lawsuit is hardly the same as your baby being found in the basement of your home. I would have to re read the interviews with PR to refresh my memory, but I remember reading them several times and shaking my head.

Perhaps if she hadn't avoided an interview for so long, she would have remembered more?

Just a thought.......

[trixie]

Well this is a problem I'm having. Did Patsy do all this by herself or was John in on it from the beginning? I'm thinking Patsy did it, all of it, while John was sleeping. And then when he read the note he KNEW Patsy had written it. He is her husband. He can't not see Patsy all over that note. We only have their word on what was discussed between them at that time, and no eyewitnesses. He may have confronted her and she may have denied involvement. What trips me up is the cord around the neck. I just can't see Patsy doing that part. But she must have?!

[Holdontoyourhat]

Originally Posted by BlueCrab

mjak,

My guess is, based on the condition and location of the pineapple in the small intestine, JonBenet ate the pineapple about one hour before she died. JonBenet was in full rigor when carried upstairs from the basement at 1:05 PM on the 26th, which means she likely died approximately 12 hours prior, or 1:00 AM. This in turn suggests she ate the pineapple around midnight.

Other than the pineapple, there was no other food in JonBenet's stomach or small intestine, suggesting she hadn't eaten anything since the cracked crab meal she consumed at about 7:00 PM at the White's house. The cracked crab meal had been digested and was represented by soft green fecal matter in her large intestine.

The fingerprints of Patsy Ramsey and Burke Ramsey were found on the small bowl containing the pineapple left out all night on the breakfast room table. A giant over-sized serving spoon stuck out of the small bowl. Fingerprint test results from the spoon were never released. In addition to the bowl of pineapple, a waterglass containing a spent tea bag, and a large box of Kleenex napkins were on the table. Burke was the resident tea drinker. Fingerprint test results from the waterglass were never released.

The breakfast room table arrangement had four chairs, each of them assigned to a Ramsey. The pineapple was close to JonBenet's normal place at the table, and the waterglass was near Burke's normal place at the table.

BlueCrab

A "giant over-sized serving spoon" is inherently suspicious. Normally, a bowl of cut pineapple would be put in the refrigerator when finished, and normally a regular-sized spoon would be used.

[Voice of Reason]

To me, the setup of the oversized spoon, combined with the glass with the teabag is just screaming CHILDREN!!! No adult would do this, and Patsy said so herself in the interviews. I think it is perfectly normal for a youngster to grab the first spoon and glass he/she found and not be concerned with the size of spoon or type of glass.

So JB had a midnight snack! And Burke, with his prints on the bowl, in all likelihood joined her. Patsy's prints are from unloading the dishwasher, IMO. While the pineapple may have been eaten earlier than the midnight estimate, it makes most scientific sense if it was eaten around midnight due to its location in the stomach. Combine this with the first paragraph which suggests children sneaking downstairs for a snack, and the pineapple makes good sense.

As one more point on the pineapple, assuming Patsy and/or John did know about this, I think Becba's response above is right on. Patsy and/or John didn't realize this would be an issue. They gave their "JonBenet was asleep when we got home" story from day one. Once the pineapple came into the picture, they had a problem. But it was easier to stick to the story and plead ignorance. Besides, they got themselves an expert to tell everyone the pineapple could have been eaten some other time.