Agnes Plume transcript-ish that no one really asked for…
Casselden - Agnes is giving evidence from Portugal. She met Frederick DeHedevary in May/June 2010. She was a widow living in Belgium at that time. She had been widowed for approximately a year at that time. She was alone but well. She met him through her son and daughter who seemed to know him. He moved into her home from the 10th of May until the 4th of June. Her son in law said he was looking for a place to stay. He had his own bedroom during that stay. She was not confined to a wheelchair at the time. She did not need to use a wheelchair from time to time at that time. She was not diagnosed with Alzheimer’s or dementia at the time. (She thought this was a funny question.) She also could string more than a few words together. (Again she is laughing at this. She actually didn’t at first answer the question because of laughter.) She was not being seen by a doctor all the time while AKA was staying there, and did not see a doctor while he was staying with her. He offered to value her deceased husband’s coin collection. She doesn’t remember if he actually did value it. He took the coin collection. She knows that he took it because he was reviewing the coins and she went out for an errand and when she returned home “everything was gone”. She’s asked to clarify, it was just the coin collection that was gone. When AKA left with the collection, he left a note saying he was leaving and said, she thinks, that he’d be back the next day. But she never saw him again. She never saw the coin collection again. Her son did receive some of the coins back from AKA. Agnes is starting to fade, she’s tired. They only got some of the coins back, not the full collection. Looking at page 3 of a document bundle they sent her daughter, apparently a statement of interview that she gave to the police in Brussels. She provided that on the 9th of June 2010. She doesn’t remember why she made the statement (she is really fading now, poor lady). Casselden asked what she thought of AKA denying her accusations. She said he lies.
She’s granted a short break. (This lady is so wonderful btw. And I’d be surprised if she hasn’t been a witness/given testimony before for one reason or another because she absolutely answers just the question asked and no more.)
Smith (AKA’s lawyer). Her son in law was not a coin collector himself. And he was not a member of a coin collector club that he husband was a part of. She believes her SIL met AKA at work. She doesn’t quite remember where he worked, she thinks he was working at the national library. She herself is not interested in coin collecting. She did not ask her SIL for ways to sell off/dispose of her late husband’s coin collection. She did not ask her SIL to find someone to value the coin collection. She did not attain a valuation of the coin collection from the coin collectors club (she kind of laughed at this question). She DID think she was talking to AKA for a valuation of the collection. And she was not aware that SIL was having discussions with AKA to sell the collection. (If he was). SIL did not report to her any conversations he and AKA had in regards to the collection. AKA did return some of the coins, and that happened not long after AKA left. The coins were returned after her son or daughter sent an email to AKA asking for them to be returned. Coroner steps in when he wants to ask if the taking of the coins and returning of the coins was due to a misunderstanding. Coroner doesn’t think she can answer the question as asked. He rewords the question and AP says she doesn’t believe it was. He asks if she was aware of the extent of conversations between SIL and AKA regarding the collection. She says no. Some back and forth about what she means.
And she just logged off as soon as they said they were done and as the Coroner was about to thank her for making herself available.
