"Jersey" and MW #2

[Mountain_Kat]

I read about that rumor too, it was a comment in a news article somewhere and it was a text. I guess there was a bit of truth to the rumor.

I provided a link to the MK video where DB (and MK) both talk about the 2:30 am cell phone ping. I posted it twice in this very thread, in fact.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps referring to this call as a rumor, in that link both DB and MK say that LE told them there was a ping at 2:30 am.

Now, that doesn't mean that the call to MW occurred at 2:30 am...it might very well have occurred at 8:30 pm, just as she has said. There's nothing what-so-ever that indicates that there only has to be ONE call that came from the cell phones.

 

[MissJames]

Lisa is the only victim we are certain of,at this point,right ? :waitasec:

 

[Wendy101]

Wendy, I really think you've misunderstood what's happening here.

MW is talking about a craigslist call from FBI, not the call from the Irwin phone.

:giggle: Yes, you are right!! I am so happy too!! LOL

 

[powayparent]

I provided a link to the MK video where DB (and MK) both talk about the 2:30 am cell phone ping. I posted it twice in this very thread, in fact.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps referring to this call as a rumor, in that link both DB and MK say that LE told them there was a ping at 2:30 am.

Now, that doesn't mean that the call to MW occurred at 2:30 am...it might very well have occurred at 8:30 pm, just as she has said. There's nothing what-so-ever that indicates that there only has to be ONE call that came from the cell phones.

I haven't watched the video, but why would they refer to it as a ping if it was in fact a call?

 

[curiousjo]

Can Craigslist ad be posted here?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I haven't watched the video, but why would they refer to it as a ping if it was in fact a call?

Beats me, Poway. I know absolutely nothing about cell phones. I've asked many times on many threads if a ping means a call was made, and no one ever answered. I'm clueless. I guess I could google the info...but I've spent most of my time here today chasing down links so I'm really REALLY sick of google at the moment.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here's the video where DB, JI and MK discuss the 2:30 am ping LE showed the parents (somewhere around the 1:47 mark, but watch from begining to get full context).

[ame]http://video.foxnews.com/v/1225075619001/lisa-irwins-parents-claim-intruder-took-cell-phones/[/ame]

 

[powayparent]

Beats me, Poway. I know absolutely nothing about cell phones. I've asked many times on many threads if a ping means a call was made, and no one ever answered. I'm clueless. I guess I could google the info...but I've spent most of my time here today chasing down links so I'm really REALLY sick of google at the moment.

Well, I don't know much about pings but I do know they're not only generated when a call is made.

I think it's problematic for DB if a call was made to a number she doesn't know when she was apparently still in control of the phone, and the phone continues to ping from her home many hours later.

 

[JohnBull]

There was no way IMO that DB had a phone number on her hand. They likely got the number from the phone records and googled it when they realized the service provider did not have a contact for the number.

Telling MW it was on DB's hand would cause her to not try to lie about their connection if there was one. If the GPS unit was for sale at the time, she could have easily used that ad for an excuse but she didn't, that we know of.

MOO

They might have said that she had the number "on hand."

 

[vlpate]

If LE found an unlisted phone number on Debbi's hand,
I believe they would have had Debbi call that number from her phone right away. Debbi must have claimed no memory of how it got there. Imo, LE would quickly assume the abductor might have written it on sleeping or impaired Debbi and that the abductor expected Debbi to call when she found her baby missing (possibly regarding ransom). But, of course, Debbi's phones had been stolen (possibly by said abductor). So, LE may have tried to have Debbi call the number from a civilian phone and gotten no answer.

In the meantime, the FBI, imo, would be scouring the internet for that number using their special software (vendor sights, seller sights, registration forms...). When they found it on Craigslist, they had the perfect guise to get the person's address and move in; quick cash for a GPS. LE may have attempted to call Megan's number several times before anyone answered, but when someone did, they hit the jackpot and got an address immediately.

If the number wasn't really on Debbi's hand, but instead obtained from the cell records from phones at the Irwin house (or found during a home search on a piece of paper, on a match book cover, etc...), I think LE woud have gone through the same process outlined above and gotten the same results.

Does Debbi know Megan? Dunno. Does Debbi know any of Megan's housemates? Dunno. Does anyone who had access to the 3 cell phones know Megan? Dunno.

Here's what I think. If Debbi isn't involved, why wouldn't the news about Jersey and then Megan push Jeremy and Debbi into overdrive - get down to the station ASAP, they might have Lisa or know who does!!!??? They'd be at the police station like bats outta hell with their lawyer ready to answer questions about comings and goings that night. Even if Debbi was blacked out when Lisa disappeared, she would be thrilled to learn that local strangers/acquaintances may somehow know what happened to her baby. She would want to try and remember anything about that night and how these two local characters might fit in; she would want her mind probed so that any knowledge she might have repressed could be surfaced, imo. She would want to know everything about these people. If not involved, Debbi would be hopeful that a quasi-couple might be involved as it would statistically increase the likelihood of Lisa being alive. JMO...

Nope, Debbi remains silent. So, she knows these two (or at least knows of them) and either knows they are not at all involved, or that they can implicate Debbi - no need to subject herself to LE. She may fear that Jersey and Megan know more about her than she'd like to admit to LE, imo.

Debbi and Jeremy's lack of action regarding all the hooplah surrounding Jersey and Megan means that Debbi knows what happened (and/or that LE has shown them solid evidence proving that neither Jersey or Megan can be involved). I can see no other reason for the parents not going down to the station for questioning, and no other reason that their PI & lawyers didn't publicly demand answers about Jersey and Megan and focus on them as much as they did the white blob ( and supposed sightings that night). Nope, no focus on Jersey or Megan from Debbi's team; there's a reason for that imo.

And, now, even the PI and the lawyers are silent. I think they've recently learned a few new facts about their clients and need some time to figure out how to spin it.

ALL JMO...

BEM: You are exactly right, IMO. This is HUGE and they should be on all the morning shows demanding answers - bring the contents of the flop house in and question them all until someone's memory kicks in.

The lack of enthusiasm on MW's part to collect the reward is shady for me. She may be holding the golden ticket, and she just doesn't know? All eight could split the money and still come out one heck of a lot better off than they apparently are - and have their own cell phones to boot.

Very good post...their silence speaks volumes.

 

[Kamille]

Can Craigslist ad be posted here?

Do you think you've figured out which one it is?

ETA: I think it would be quite useful to know when that ad was placed and whether there could be an innocent explanation as to why that number was called. Or at least one that a good defense lawyer would jump on.

 

[Kamille]

I haven't watched the video, but why would they refer to it as a ping if it was in fact a call?

It's quite possible that they wouldn't tip their hand to her about the actual number. Especially if it was MW's number because at the time, they had no idea whose number it was.

If that ping was at 2:30am, as I do believe they told her, then the point of that conversation was "if you were sleeping and JI wasn't home, why was your phone in use at that time of the morning. To which I believe she quickly replied, it must have been the kidnapper.

That was changed again when she decided that LE was lying to her about that cell phone ping because her phones could not dial out. Which leads me to believe that the "ping" in question was an outgoing call.

MOO

 

[heidisams]

Curious if anyone knows whether or not MW has a car or drivers license? I just have to say, I have never really bought the whole communal phone story. My older kids all had to use the prepaid cell phones for a period of time before we allowed them to be put on our family plan to prove themselves. They (and others I know with prepays) were so careful about their minutes and hated when their friends would ask to use it...they would say "use it real quick, I only have such and such minutes", etc... It is pretty expensive and MW doesn't strike me as having a lot of money to just leave her phone laying around for 8 or so people to just use whenever... IDK...it has been a while, do they now make prepaid phones with unlimited use for calls and texts or are they still just sold strictly by the minute?

 

[matou]

I provided a link to the MK video where DB (and MK) both talk about the 2:30 am cell phone ping. I posted it twice in this very thread, in fact.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps referring to this call as a rumor, in that link both DB and MK say that LE told them there was a ping at 2:30 am.

Now, that doesn't mean that the call to MW occurred at 2:30 am...it might very well have occurred at 8:30 pm, just as she has said. There's nothing what-so-ever that indicates that there only has to be ONE call that came from the cell phones.

I know, thank you MK. I'm mostly referring to the "text" thing and what it is rumored to have said. I think that's the rumor part, IMO. xo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Curious if anyone knows whether or not MW has a car or drivers license? I just have to say, I have never really bought the whole communal phone story. My older kids all had to use the prepaid cell phones for a period of time before we allowed them to be put on our family plan to prove themselves. They (and others I know with prepays) were so careful about their minutes and hated when their friends would ask to use it...they would say "use it real quick, I only have such and such minutes", etc... It is pretty expensive and MW doesn't strike me as having a lot of money to just leave her phone laying around for 8 or so people to just use whenever... IDK...it has been a while, do they now make prepaid phones with unlimited use for calls and texts or are they still just sold strictly by the minute?

You can get a pre paid phone at walmart now for 45 dollars unlimited minutes. You just have to pay 45 dollars every month.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

If that ping was at 2:30am, as I do believe they told her, then the point of that conversation was "if you were sleeping and JI wasn't home, why was your phone in use at that time of the morning. To which I believe she quickly replied, it must have been the kidnapper.

MOO

sbm..bbm...If the cops are not lying and a call was made from one of the stolen cell phones to mw, it leads me to believe the person who stole the phones also kidanpped lisa and called mw at 2:30am.

 

[powayparent]

Curious if anyone knows whether or not MW has a car or drivers license? I just have to say, I have never really bought the whole communal phone story. My older kids all had to use the prepaid cell phones for a period of time before we allowed them to be put on our family plan to prove themselves. They (and others I know with prepays) were so careful about their minutes and hated when their friends would ask to use it...they would say "use it real quick, I only have such and such minutes", etc... It is pretty expensive and MW doesn't strike me as having a lot of money to just leave her phone laying around for 8 or so people to just use whenever... IDK...it has been a while, do they now make prepaid phones with unlimited use for calls and texts or are they still just sold strictly by the minute?

There are unlimited plans available for approximately $50/month.

Jim Spellman (CNN) indicated that he had not seen MW in a vehicle and had seen her walking to stores, etc. (via Twitter)

 

[Kamille]

sbm..bbm...If the cops are not lying and a call was made from one of the stolen cell phones to mw, it leads me to believe the person who stole the phones also kidanpped lisa and called mw at 2:30am.

That is entirely possible too. In fact it makes sense that it might be Jersey calling MW. He was supposedly known to ask to use phones in the neighbourhood since he likely didn't have one of his own. I believe it was Mary H who said that.

But if it was an outgoing call or text to someone else, someone who would be in her circle of contacts and known to her, well that certainly would be a problem for her timeline.

MOO

 

[Just K]

Curious if anyone knows whether or not MW has a car or drivers license? I just have to say, I have never really bought the whole communal phone story. My older kids all had to use the prepaid cell phones for a period of time before we allowed them to be put on our family plan to prove themselves. They (and others I know with prepays) were so careful about their minutes and hated when their friends would ask to use it...they would say "use it real quick, I only have such and such minutes", etc... It is pretty expensive and MW doesn't strike me as having a lot of money to just leave her phone laying around for 8 or so people to just use whenever... IDK...it has been a while, do they now make prepaid phones with unlimited use for calls and texts or are they still just sold strictly by the minute?

I'm told that WM sells unlimited minute plans for track phones. Something like $40 or $50 a month.

When I first heard MW say the phone was a communal/shared phone and then heard that the FBI tracked the number via CL, I thought of the Long Island Serial Killer Case. At least one of the victims (who were "escorts") had such a phone and her housemates used it, too. It is possible that this phone is used for a variety of CL services/goods. The folks in the house may very well have their own private phones that they choose to keep private. Some of the LISK victims had more than one phone but used a Track phone to conduct their business transactions. The same could be true of the residents of MW's home.

 

[powayparent]

sbm..bbm...If the cops are not lying and a call was made from one of the stolen cell phones to mw, it leads me to believe the person who stole the phones also kidanpped lisa and called mw at 2:30am.

How do you explain the 8:30 call between the same 2 numbers?