The Trash Bag in Casey's Trunk

[Chilly Willy]

Deja Vu!

 

[Carrington]

I think that KC took trash from people's houses, dumpsters, etc. to find personal information, bank account numbers,etc. AL's trash just had not been sorted yet, so she kept it for later. She hadn't stolen from AL and his friends, yet. (don't count using his car and gas without permission).

DotsEyes, not that I don't agree with your whole post.
I do believe this is why she had the trash in her car.
IMO

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

OK....IIRC, one specialist on NG was explaining about the "body fluids". Most of them are usually composed of minerals, etc....electrolytes, salts. He ALSO said, there is sometimes pieces of DNA/tissue present. In the last doc dump, results were shown using a "control" piece of the same make and model trunk carpet, vs Casey's trunk carpet, vs a sample of the minerals, etc separately. The results showed that the carpet samples from Casey's car had high elevations of these compounds and the "control" showed barely any. They used a gc/ms, I believe. The compounts they were testing for were calcium, sodium, magnesium....I can't remember all.

To make this short....extremely high levels of what the so called "decomp fluid" compounds were found in Casey's trunk carpet and NOT high or even present in the "control".

I WILL go find the info if you MAKE me find it....but PLEASE don't make me, I'm soooo tired of rooting thru the docs....LOL LOL

ETA.....they had tested for flourine/floride but didn't see any....BUT, this was said to be due to the fact of Caylee's age, and that there may not have been enough exposure for any to formed in higher am'ts in a 2 year old who hasn't been subjected to that much outside sources of it in her short little life.....

 

[babycat]

OK....IIRC, one specialist on NG was explaining about the "body fluids". Most of them are usually composed of minerals, etc....electrolytes, salts. He ALSO said, there is sometimes pieces of DNA/tissue present. In the last doc dump, results were shown using a "control" piece of the same make and model trunk carpet, vs Casey's trunk carpet, vs a sample of the minerals, etc separately. The results showed that the carpet samples from Casey's car had high elevations of these compounds and the "control" showed barely any. They used a gc/ms, I believe. The compounts they were testing for were calcium, sodium, magnesium....I can't remember all.

To make this short....extremely high levels of what the so called "decomp fluid" compounds were found in Casey's trunk carpet and NOT high or even present in the "control".

I WILL go find the info if you MAKE me find it....but PLEASE don't make me, I'm soooo tired of rooting thru the docs....LOL LOL

LOL you don't have to go looking...I think we all agree that there are decomp body fluids...we just disagree that there was an announcement as to whether there was blood or tissue....


great post, though

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Well heck, Turbo LOL, isn't that just like you to demand proof before you believe! What a stickler. (That's a compliment, btw).

What I was trying to say in my original post is that the FBI will let LP take a lie detector anywhere LP chooses--if he chooses to take one. If he doesn't choose to take one, LE won't force the issue, unless LP actually returns to Orlando to continue his search, in which case he isn't going to have a choice. They'll insist.

Re the bolded portion, I'll give you my "link" via PM. And I won't even ask you to retract the "bull" remark here afterward. :blowkiss: Check your PM anytime after 5 minutes.

ROFL!!!!.....................I believe on one of the NG shows he said they were setting it up there for him, but had not contacted him yet. He said something like he told them he would be available anytime for them.

Hey..........I still like the "bull" remark............hehehehe

 

[Chilly Willy]

OK....IIRC, one specialist on NG was explaining about the "body fluids". Most of them are usually composed of minerals, etc....electrolytes, salts. He ALSO said, there is sometimes pieces of DNA/tissue present. In the last doc dump, results were shown using a "control" piece of the same make and model trunk carpet, vs Casey's trunk carpet, vs a sample of the minerals, etc separately. The results showed that the carpet samples from Casey's car had high elevations of these compounds and the "control" showed barely any. They used a gc/ms, I believe. The compounts they were testing for were calcium, sodium, magnesium....I can't remember all.

To make this short....extremely high levels of what the so called "decomp fluid" compounds were found in Casey's trunk carpet and NOT high or even present in the "control".

I WILL go find the info if you MAKE me find it....but PLEASE don't make me, I'm soooo tired of rooting thru the docs....LOL LOL

ETA.....they had tested for flourine/floride but didn't see any....BUT, this was said to be due to the fact of Caylee's age, and that there may not have been enough exposure for any to formed in higher am'ts in a 2 year old who hasn't been subjected to that much outside sources of it in her short little life.....

There is no denying that the results of the air sample tests show decomp, however there has been no information released regarding the chemical analysis of the stain itself and nothing at all ever stating that blood was found in the trunk, to my knowledge.

 

[debs]

There is no denying that the results of the air sample tests show decomp, however there has been no information released regarding the chemical analysis of the stain itself and nothing at all ever stating that blood was found in the trunk, to my knowledge.

Well, I don't know about blood, but something was found AND released. I will snatch the paragraph regarding the carpet sample that was tested. LIBS laser test results show:
[FONT=&quot] In the analysis of the carpet samples that were obtained, care was taken to scan the
sample consistently. A laser beam of 532 nm wavelength was focused onto the surface of
the Florida trunk carpet sample and control carpet samples collecting the excited light
using collection optics that were delivered to a spectrometer which detected specific band
wavelengths. These wavelengths corresponded to between 260 nm to 300 nm for Mg,
between 390 to 420 nm for Ca, between 570 to 610 nm for Na, and between 240 to 280
nm for Fe. The data were collected in multiples of five and compared to each other. All
spectral information was very consistent within the multiples of spectra that were
captured and analyzed. It is interesting to note that every element known to be associated
with a decompositional event (that could be detected using this technique) was elevated
over control values. [Non metals such as potassium, chloride, etc. have a greater
ionization potential than metallic and serai-metallic elements and could not be detected
using the current laser system].
[/FONT]


LIBS analyzes ANY matter, regardless of composition, solid, liquid, or gas. It is that secondp-to-last sentence, however, that I think some people have picked up on. Reading the full report, toward the end, they discuss how these tests are preliminary and that VFA analyses need to be completed, though the two other tests appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk. here's that whole link

So I guess what we DON'T have at our fingertips are those VFA analyses which are the volatile fatty acid tests that are done post-mortem, and determine intervals.

Whew. This is why I was NOT a scientist, but I hope at least in some way it doesn't clutter up things.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Well, I don't know about blood, but something was found AND released. I will snatch the paragraph regarding the carpet sample that was tested. LIBS laser test results show:
[FONT=&quot] In the analysis of the carpet samples that were obtained, care was taken to scan the
sample consistently. A laser beam of 532 nm wavelength was focused onto the surface of
the Florida trunk carpet sample and control carpet samples collecting the excited light
using collection optics that were delivered to a spectrometer which detected specific band
wavelengths. These wavelengths corresponded to between 260 nm to 300 nm for Mg,
between 390 to 420 nm for Ca, between 570 to 610 nm for Na, and between 240 to 280
nm for Fe. The data were collected in multiples of five and compared to each other. All
spectral information was very consistent within the multiples of spectra that were
captured and analyzed. It is interesting to note that every element known to be associated
with a decompositional event (that could be detected using this technique) was elevated
over control values. [Non metals such as potassium, chloride, etc. have a greater
ionization potential than metallic and serai-metallic elements and could not be detected
using the current laser system].
[/FONT]


LIBS analyzes ANY matter, regardless of composition, solid, liquid, or gas. It is that secondp-to-last sentence, however, that I think some people have picked up on. Reading the full report, toward the end, they discuss how these tests are preliminary and that VFA analyses need to be completed, though the two other tests appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk. here's that whole link

So I guess what we DON'T have at our fingertips are those VFA analyses which are the volatile fatty acid tests that are done post-mortem, and determine intervals.

Whew. This is why I was NOT a scientist, but I hope at least in some way it doesn't clutter up things.

Thank you for posting this!

 

[Friday]

ROFL!!!!.....................I believe on one of the NG shows he said they were setting it up there for him, but had not contacted him yet. He said something like he told them he would be available anytime for them.

Hey..........I still like the "bull" remark............hehehehe

Watch out, I'm serving "crow" here. How 'bout an itsy bitsy bite??? LOL

 

[natsound]

Well, I don't know about blood, but something was found AND released. I will snatch the paragraph regarding the carpet sample that was tested. LIBS laser test results show:
[FONT=&quot] In the analysis of the carpet samples that were obtained, care was taken to scan the
sample consistently. A laser beam of 532 nm wavelength was focused onto the surface of
the Florida trunk carpet sample and control carpet samples collecting the excited light
using collection optics that were delivered to a spectrometer which detected specific band
wavelengths. These wavelengths corresponded to between 260 nm to 300 nm for Mg,
between 390 to 420 nm for Ca, between 570 to 610 nm for Na, and between 240 to 280
nm for Fe. The data were collected in multiples of five and compared to each other. All
spectral information was very consistent within the multiples of spectra that were
captured and analyzed. It is interesting to note that every element known to be associated
with a decompositional event (that could be detected using this technique) was elevated
over control values. [Non metals such as potassium, chloride, etc. have a greater
ionization potential than metallic and serai-metallic elements and could not be detected
using the current laser system].
[/FONT]


LIBS analyzes ANY matter, regardless of composition, solid, liquid, or gas. It is that secondp-to-last sentence, however, that I think some people have picked up on. Reading the full report, toward the end, they discuss how these tests are preliminary and that VFA analyses need to be completed, though the two other tests appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk. here's that whole link

So I guess what we DON'T have at our fingertips are those VFA analyses which are the volatile fatty acid tests that are done post-mortem, and determine intervals.

Whew. This is why I was NOT a scientist, but I hope at least in some way it doesn't clutter up things.

I believe we knew all that. A few prior posters say that it has been stated before that blood was found, and a few other posters say that has not been stated.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Well, I don't know about blood, but something was found AND released. I will snatch the paragraph regarding the carpet sample that was tested. LIBS laser test results show:
[FONT=&quot] In the analysis of the carpet samples that were obtained, care was taken to scan the
sample consistently. A laser beam of 532 nm wavelength was focused onto the surface of
the Florida trunk carpet sample and control carpet samples collecting the excited light
using collection optics that were delivered to a spectrometer which detected specific band
wavelengths. These wavelengths corresponded to between 260 nm to 300 nm for Mg,
between 390 to 420 nm for Ca, between 570 to 610 nm for Na, and between 240 to 280
nm for Fe. The data were collected in multiples of five and compared to each other. All
spectral information was very consistent within the multiples of spectra that were
captured and analyzed. It is interesting to note that every element known to be associated
with a decompositional event (that could be detected using this technique) was elevated
over control values. [Non metals such as potassium, chloride, etc. have a greater
ionization potential than metallic and serai-metallic elements and could not be detected
using the current laser system].
[/FONT]


LIBS analyzes ANY matter, regardless of composition, solid, liquid, or gas. It is that secondp-to-last sentence, however, that I think some people have picked up on. Reading the full report, toward the end, they discuss how these tests are preliminary and that VFA analyses need to be completed, though the two other tests appear to be quite consistent with a decompositional event having occurred in the trunk. here's that whole link

So I guess what we DON'T have at our fingertips are those VFA analyses which are the volatile fatty acid tests that are done post-mortem, and determine intervals.

Whew. This is why I was NOT a scientist, but I hope at least in some way it doesn't clutter up things.

YES!!! Thanks so much!! Exactly what I was trying to say...pgs 2522....2523...2524...2525...Doc 5.

PS...I just HAD to go back and find the pages....LOL


ETA : THESE results, IMO, are pretty telling....there was also tests run for "Fe"....IRON....usually from blood in a person, I could be wrong.....maybe there was blood some found in the stain???

 

[songline]

So if LE has proof (like the body, part of the body) more than the one hair with the death band why take the DP off the table?
If it's overwhelming why wouldn't the jury be given the choice of the DP?

IMO:
They have not yet been able to tie Casey to the crime.
They say they found this and that, but can not say without a doubt that she is responsible for any of the the findings.
They have to tie her to the crime, and that is one reason they are looking into her computer.

 

[RR0004]

I hope it stops at trial.I recall the Entwhistle's tirade after their son was convicted.The Peterson's,too. If anything,the A's are even more determined to keep it up.

I was thinking...at least Rachel and Laci's parents have somewhere they can go to be with their lost loved ones. The As have truly done nothing to find Caylee. They have brought no pressure to bear on their daughter. IMO they've indulged her once again in her fantasies. I want that baby found and placed to rest so bad.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

IMO:
They have not yet been able to tie Casey to the crime.
They say they found this and that, but can not say without a doubt that she is responsible for any of the the findings.
They have to tie her to the crime, and that is one reason they are looking into her computer.

Again, IMO, "Miss Thang" NEVER said to LE about anyone else using her car....oh, except DAD....if she said someone else, besides dad, had used it to LE early on, then I believe that would put a really bad spin on things. She was far too busy trying to explain her missing daughter and her not reporting it.....she obviously didn't use those 31 days to get a REAL "script" together....too much pahty!!! She also was the one who was trying to set up an answer for the "smell" with Mr. Squirrel.....going so far as to mention she found it "plastered to her fender"......that dead animal smell was from her BABY !!!!

 

[JBean]

Anyone can join in these topics any time they want. the last thing we want to do is to shut down people asking questions. If someone asks something that has been discussed, give them a search tip if you can't answer it. if they ask for a link give them a search tip. No one is expected to do the work for anyone.
There is no reason to put people down that come to the party late, admission is on a rolling basis and chastizing people for showing up late and missing the conversation is not WS style. Welcome and help them. Please don't assume someone is a troll because they have a different pov. We do not have to be of one mind here and disscussion and debate is always welcome provided no TOS is broken.
Scroll past posts that irritate or upset you.

ETA: You would be surprised how much info is posted as fact that isn't.

 

[PaulaF513]

Exactly.

Anaerobic does not mean an oxygen deprived atmosphere surrounding the corpse. It refers to the fact that the "cells" that are decomposing are deprived of oxygen from "within" because the person is no longer breathing.

 

[RevCrim]

Anaerobic does not mean an oxygen deprived atmosphere surrounding the corpse. It refers to the fact that the "cells" that are decomposing are deprived of oxygen from "within" because the person is no longer breathing.

Blood found in car was mentioned on NG, by either Koby, or LP. I think it was Koby. I recall because I wanted to hear how much blood, because it was the first I heard about blood being found, but it was almost like a slip of the tongue, and never brought up again.

 

[babycat]

Blood found in car was mentioned on NG, by either Koby, or LP. I think it was Koby. I recall because I wanted to hear how much blood, because it was the first I heard about blood being found, but it was almost like a slip of the tongue, and never brought up again.

I've been looking, but I can only find this so far...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/18/ng.01.html

I will keep looking...

But it being mentioned on NG doesn't really hold any weight with me, because Kobe has admitted that he hasn't even examined the evidence, hasn't even been out there to see it...so I don't know that he knows what all of the evidence is. He claims he doesn't...who knows.

Thanks for the search tip, though..

 

[JBean]

knock it off please.
can you all get back to topic?

if this post doesn't make sense to you, that would probably be a good thing

 

[lisalei321]

knock it off please.
can you all get back to topic?

if this post doesn't make sense to you, that would probably be a good thing

Looks like I missed all the fun last night!

Thanks for all you do JBean!