Ursamajr
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This has not been announced as accepted by LE as being a fact and has no other source than this person, who has gone public with appearances in the media a short time ago. No one else went to the alleged party, except for the 2 people she claims went with her. Ray has no information that shows that RH or his wife went to the place in Manhattan or put their phone number on a wall there. I'm not involved in couples sex swap but am acquainted with several couples who are. They do not randomly let people, especially strangers, just come to their houses, they don't ever go to messy houses, they aren't sexual deviants. Safety is of high importance. Attorney Ray just doesn't' know what he is talking about when he says ignorant things about couples swapping (and homosexuality). Couple/individuals are not criminals or more at risk to commit sex crimes than someone else. Ray has pushed this subject as being some kind of moral causation for crime, he's ignorant. MOO but if this woman and KV went to RH's house, it was for prostitution.
You might not like John Ray but this witness has signed an Affidavit (there are legal ramifications if she is found to be lying) and it appears that investigators have removed the window that Karen Vergata was possibly seen standing at from the Heuermann home and possibly on the information provided by this witness. Also: the announcement of this witness providing an Affidavit was made during a press conference with John Ray appearing with Rodney Harrison, the former police commissioner for Suffolk County. So, forgetting John Ray (I don't think you'll find many ardent fans of his here, more like indifference and he seems to always be taken with a grain of salt if anything), but it seems at least that Suffolk County LE is indeed taking this witness and her statement seriously. John Ray does indeed say some ignorant things but that shouldn't reflect poorly on victims he represents or the witnesses that choose to go to him because they don't trust LE enough to go to them first.
With all due respect, I haven't seen anyone on websleuths accuse swinger couples or individuals as criminals and I don't even think any of us refer to any of these women as "prostitutes" or what they were doing as "prostitution". I love that this site is a victim friendly site and pretty aggressively too. Sex work is work, swingers should be able to enjoy life without fear, LGBTQ+ community as well, and these women deserved to live. Peace and love.