Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #13

[Mountain_Kat]

I disagree in two ways.

First, while I can't say I enjoyed looking at the images, I am not sure I'd call them distasteful. I have no knowledge of what makes VH drawn to them. I would hazard a guess it is a symptom of her victimization. She could be repulsed by the images, and working to normalize them for herself to try to fit in. She could be processing her life, which is not a typical life.

I guess I do call her tee shirt choice distasteful, upon Rex's arrest. If she wears skeletons every day of her life, that was the day to turn the shirt inside out. But mostly, I don't think the problem is distaste.

The other way I disagree is that I certainly do think it is substantial.

The problem is how much the material contained references to the crime scene that we are learning more and more about. It means that in some way, VH knows something about the crimes. She is a witness.

Imagine if the truth turns out to be that her father accessed all of this images posing as his daughter. That seems unlikely, but it is possible, true? Then, she is a witness who can deny being behind the social media accounts. I think it is likely that VH has been on her own kind of investigation for years. She is a witness. Her interests in art that references crime scenes for crimes for which her father is accused makes that obvious.

In addition, just by living in that small house, it is very hard to imagine anybody not noticing anything at all...like, why does dad always scrub the bathroom when we are on vacation?

MOO

I often wear Grateful Dead T-shirts. All of them have skulls on them. I don't think I have ever consciously thought about whether or not they were appropriate on any given day. But that's just me.

 

[Ruminations]

I agree the household very well included gruesome images as entertainment, conversation, etc, and the children were exposed to too much too young. But why is that worthy of a press conference? I was lured in by the sensationalism yesterday morning, but after awhile, everything shared at the presser seemed unnecessary to be shared with the public.

What exactly was the point of the presser? Sincere question.

jmo

Sincere answer: The purpose was to draw attention to the absurdity of acting like housemates of Rex Heuermann would have no valuable information to share.

They are witnesses. Especially AE. And, as evidenced by her art, especially VH now.

Why would we be satisfied to just take Macedonia's word for it that AE has nothing of interest to LE, yet something as interesting as a million dollars to say to a production company?

I like interesting content as much as the next person, but when the streaming wars are fought before the war against crime, I have a problem with that.

Shutting down witnesses means not doing a fulsome investigation.

John Ray is once again trying to reorient us to investigating, and discouraging letting information get ignored. That is a very good reason for a presser.

MOO

 

[Teche]

The press conference was about so much more than someone's clothing though.
We do want all facts to be uncovered in this case, right?
I see the press conference as exposing the persona of a family member of a SK, as well as the potential implication of that persona.
The implication here is astonishing.
How can the daughter of a SK be so attracted to art that depicts torture, degradation of women and murder in a similar way that her own father is now charged with.
MOO.

Didn’t RH’s To Do list have discord photos? I tend to believe that the family may have found some of RH’s pictures or questionable computer searches or files.

 

[x_files]

Did he say when he did this?

I find it really hard to believe that in 2024 (or anytime in say the last 5 years), a phone call to the front desk of a hotel by someone who is not LE and/or has no legal document allowing them to receive such information would both 1) get a front desk person who is willing to divulge any confidential customer information AND 2) be able to access hotel check-in records from 2007 (database changes over time, length of time that such information is kept in front desk accessible databases, etc).

You'd be shocked at how much info you can glean from by just ASKING people. Perhaps, he showed up and asked the manager. Plus, humans love to talk and gossip. Lots of info can be found by asking the right people the right questions.

 

[Not a Belle]

Sincere answer: The purpose was to draw attention to the absurdity of acting like housemates of Rex Heuermann would have no valuable information to share.

They are witnesses. Especially AE. And, as evidenced by her art, especially VH now.

Why would we be satisfied to just take Macedonia's word for it that AE has nothing of interest to LE, yet something as interesting as a million dollars to say to a production company?

I like interesting content as much as the next person, but when the streaming wars are fought before the war against crime, I have a problem with that.

Shutting down witnesses means not doing a fulsome investigation.

John Ray is once again trying to reorient us to investigating, and discouraging letting information get ignored. That is a very good reason for a presser.

MOO

What evidence is there that potential witnesses have not been properly identified and questioned?

 

[NyxNY]

Was she creating pornographic and gore artwork that was banned by Tumbler. Hard core fetish content.

She must have been the one looking through Rex's old book of graphic crime scenes at the kitchen table.

Who said it was Rex's book? JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'd be curious to know why JR felt it significant to mention that , in one picture, VH had her hair in a " neat little bun ".

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I'd be curious to know why JR felt it significant to mention that , in one picture, VH had her hair in a " neat little bun ".

Well, JR has worn his hair in a neat little ponytail … so, maybe for him there is some dishonesty-symbolism in neat little hair.

Sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt, a bun is just a bun, a clay human form sculpture is just an art class assignment.
IMO.

 

[Ruminations]

You'd be shocked at how much info you can glean from by just ASKING people. Perhaps, he showed up and asked the manager. Plus, humans love to talk and gossip. Lots of info can be found by asking the right people the right questions.

Asking surrounded by witnesses eliminates the possibility there was a misunderstanding.

John Ray's staff found out the check in dates by asking, reasking, and making sure a small group of people heard the answer clearly.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Was she creating pornographic and gore artwork that was banned by Tumbler. Hard core fetish content.

She must have been the one looking through Rex's old book of graphic crime scenes at the kitchen table.

Didn't the WS owner state on yt yesterday that she owned that book? It is something that some true crime buffs might be interested in.

 

[Betty P]

Didn't the WS owner state on yt yesterday that she owned that book? It is something that some true crime buffs might be interested in.

I don't know, didn't watch. I think its the context of her reading the book at the kitchen table after all that has happened, as well as the artwork, clothing choices, etc. JMO She appears to be struggling.

A regular WS member owning that book is perceived differently than Rex H owning it.

 

[Just K]

I disagree in two ways.

First, while I can't say I enjoyed looking at the images, I am not sure I'd call them distasteful. I have no knowledge of what makes VH drawn to them. I would hazard a guess it is a symptom of her victimization. She could be repulsed by the images, and working to normalize them for herself to try to fit in. She could be processing her life, which is not a typical life.

I guess I do call her tee shirt choice distasteful, upon Rex's arrest. If she wears skeletons every day of her life, that was the day to turn the shirt inside out. But mostly, I don't think the problem is distaste.

The other way I disagree is that I certainly do think it is substantial.

The problem is how much the material contained references to the crime scene that we are learning more and more about. It means that in some way, VH knows something about the crimes. She is a witness.

Imagine if the truth turns out to be that her father accessed all of this images posing as his daughter. That seems unlikely, but it is possible, true? Then, she is a witness who can deny being behind the social media accounts. I think it is likely that VH has been on her own kind of investigation for years. She is a witness. Her interests in art that references crime scenes for crimes for which her father is accused makes that obvious.

In addition, just by living in that small house, it is very hard to imagine anybody not noticing anything at all...like, why does dad always scrub the bathroom when we are on vacation?

MOO

Or buy a new truck-same model different color. He did that a few times that we know of between 2000 and 2010. So for her ages 4-14.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Well, JR has worn his hair in a neat little ponytail … so, maybe for him there is some dishonesty-symbolism in neat little hair.

Sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt, a bun is just a bun, a clay human form sculpture is just an art class assignment.
IMO.

And sometimes it’s not! MOO

 

[Not a Belle]

“Why can't LE just say calmly, "We are aware of VH social media activity, and we have followed or will follow any leads. Of course, we can't comment on an active investigation."? If that were the response, I might begin to think the were taking this information seriously.“

This is what I was responding to. If I misunderstood, I apologize. I think we both want justice for all of the victims. I haven’t had strong feelings about John Ray in any direction until now, and I appreciate his contributions to moving these cases forward. In this instance I believe he went too far and I don’t see him as credible at this point, which is my opinion only.

 

[Ruminations]

What evidence is there that potential witnesses have not been properly identified and questioned?

The night-time cab driver comes to mind.

She tried to tell the crime stoppers tip line about encountering Rex Heuermann and Shannan Gilbert in Long Island, among other relevant information about Rex Heuermann.

Crime stoppers would not call her back.

John Ray took her affadavit. Rodney Harrison took it as a moment to say, if you are not comfortable coming to LE, go to John Ray. (But this witness had been comfortable going to LE. They just wouldn't return her calls. This was stated publicly, and I am very certain she would have been contradicted in public if her claim of trying to reach LE were not true.)

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

“Why can't LE just say calmly, "We are aware of VH social media activity, and we have followed or will follow any leads. Of course, we can't comment on an active investigation."? If that were the response, I might begin to think the were taking this information seriously.“

This is what I was responding to. If I misunderstood, I apologize. I think we both want justice for all of the victims. I haven’t had strong feelings about John Ray in any direction until now, and I appreciate his contributions to moving these cases forward. In this instance I believe he went too far and I don’t see him as credible at this point, which is my opinion only.

FWIW, I don't agree with his inferences. If you don't agree with them, that is a point of agreement between us.

John Ray and I agree that VH knows something. He is more willing to assign a more participatory motive to her not sharing. He's going more "cover-up" than I would.

But he's fully entitled to his inferences. I'm entitled to mine. You're entitled to yours.

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The more information, the better the inferences, and the more different people's inferences will converge.

MOO

 

[NyxNY]

That’s from Hannibal
Season 1
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Apéritif (2013)

Hannibal (2013)

www.imdb.com

Oddly I knew it was familiar, and that thought scared the hell out of me.

 

[Betty P]

No, because it's not normal, but yet there's at least one case of The Toybox Killer", David Parker Ray, who involved his wife, Cynthia Hendy, his daughter, Glenda Jean Ray, friends, and a business partner. So...it does happen, but extremely rare.
He committed violent sadiastic crimes from 1957–1999 until he was finally caught. His wife is free now, living in Kent, WA, and looks "normal."

David Parker Ray - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I started reading that story in a long form magazine article about the woman who escaped. By the time I got far enough into it, I wished I had never started reading. One of the most horrible crimes and situations ever, and his family thought it was no big deal. I think they actually thought these women deserved to be abused, as if it was punishment for taking drugs or being a sex worker.

 

[Teche]

I missed where a member of Shannon Gilbert’s family released a comment after John Ray’s press conference. I had no luck searching google. Can someone direct me to it?

 

[Just K]

I started reading that story in a long form magazine article about the woman who escaped. By the time I got far enough into it, I wished I had never started reading. One of the most horrible crimes and situations ever, and his family thought it was no big deal. I think they actually thought these women deserved to be abused, as if it was punishment for taking drugs or being a sex worker.

I have to admit, since 7/13/23, I’ve felt that may be the case with this family- specifically the husband and wife.