Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #187

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

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[steeltowngirl]

Justice for Libby and Abby

 

[Jade]

No reasonable doubt problem with a lone killer, imo. Most child assault crimes are loners, imo.

Prosecution will look forward with the evidence not back to the natural progression of a difficult investigation where there are no living witnesses.

It turned out in the end to be solely Richard Allen; a strange little loner.

If Richard Allen had any help it was through a network of similar perverts in which he glommed onto to exploit anonymously, imo.

Richard Allen has a high opinion of himself, imo, he is unlikely to include others as to his only friend saying he is quiet.

There have been no reports of pro social activities beyond playing pool at a bar that Richard Allen was involved in. No laments from any community organizations, fraternal orders, church, youth sports nothing of any kind I’ve seen.

A loner. A heinous crime conceived and carried out by one person, Richard Allen.

imo

 

[TTF14]

It turned out in the end to be solely Richard Allen; a strange little loner.

RSBM

It's not the end. Not even close. Just ask Doug Carter.

IMO MOO

 

[Charlot123]

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Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #186

I do not believe that the local Odin chapter, out of a sudden, decided to sacrifice two white girls. The myth doesn’t even talk about “when you sacrifice, you make the runes.” It reminds me some Mesopotamian myths about creation, and usually myths have interpretations provided. People have to be either very much out of their mind to see that connection, between Odin, sacrifice and the runes, or, if the local odinites were involved, the motive was different.

I don’t know how the girls were posed. I linked the myth in the previous thread. If they were positioned similarly to Odin on the tree, one can at least discuss something. If not, it is probably a red herring.

Brian H had a certain connection to the girls. Could he be involved? Well, any Midwestern man within 30 miles could. But BH doesn’t come across as dumb, not at all. Probably, he is a generic Midwestern man trying to find a job. An Odinite would attack a totally different ethnic groups, IMHO. There might be a different motive for BH, but that one has never been explored. Of all the motives, the “sacrifice” holds the least amount of water, IMHO.

 

[Jade]

RSBM

It's not the end. Not even close. Just ask Doug Carter.

IMO MOO

A figure of speech. Of course there is a trial still.

I'll explicate.

In the end only Richard Allen sits accused awaiting trial.

No one else is sitting behind bars with appointed defense at work preparing for their trial for the Monon High Bridge Trail murders of two young girls whose corpses were molested.


imo

 

[sunshineray]

RSBM

It's not the end. Not even close. Just ask Doug Carter.

IMO MOO

You're right. There are unfortunately many more people involved in CSAM in Indiana (and every state in the US) that could possibly act out their sick fantasies and murder children, like RA has purportedly done and is going on trial for doing.

 

[sunshineray]

Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #186'
Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #186

I do not believe that the local Odin chapter, out of a sudden, decided to sacrifice two white girls. The myth doesn’t even talk about “when you sacrifice, you make the runes.” It reminds me some Mesopotamian myths about creation, and usually myths have interpretations provided. People have to be either very much out of their mind to see that connection, between Odin, sacrifice and the runes, or, if the local odinites were involved, the motive was different.

I don’t know how the girls were posed. I linked the myth in the previous thread. If they were positioned similarly to Odin on the tree, one can at least discuss something. If not, it is probably a red herring.

Brian H had a certain connection to the girls. Could he be involved? Well, any Midwestern man within 30 miles could. But BH doesn’t come across as dumb, not at all. Probably, he is a generic Midwestern man trying to find a job. An Odinite would attack a totally different ethnic groups, IMHO. There might be a different motive for BH, but that one has never been explored. Of all the motives, the “sacrifice” holds the least amount of water, IMHO.

Hi Charlot, aren't they actually called Odinist? I'm seeing that "Odinite" is a mineral.

 

[Ravenmoon]

@TTF14

I believe that staging may also be used to satisfy something psychological or sexual in the murderer him/herself.
It is a way to present a fantasy.

 

[TTF14]

@TTF14

I believe that staging may also be used to satisfy something psychological or sexual in the murderer him/herself.
It is a way to present a fantasy.

That would fall under "posing."

It does seem like both posing and staging happened in this case.

IMO MOO

 

[Ravenmoon]

That would fall under "posing."

It does seem like both posing and staging happened in this case.

IMO MOO

The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer.

Staging/ posing are seemingly closely connected.

Strictly my opinion, but I think that the girls were posed/ staged because it gave the killer sexual satisfaction.

So, maybe I am incorrect with my thoughts on staging?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8158272_The_Rarity_of_Unusal_Dispositions_of_Victim_Bodies_Staging_and_Posing#:~:text=The act of leaving a,perverted pleasure to the killer.

 

[TTF14]

The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8158272_The_Rarity_of_Unusal_Dispositions_of_Victim_Bodies_Staging_and_Posing#:~:text=The act of leaving a,perverted pleasure to the killer.

OK, this isn't something I am interested in debating. I posted the link I'm going by.

 

[Ravenmoon]

OK, this isn't something I am interested in debating. I posted the link I'm going by.

Wow.
I wasn't attempting to debate anything at all.
I was simply trying to explain why I was in agreement with you on staging. .
Please have yourself a wonderful day.

 

[TTF14]

Wow.
I wasn't attempting to debate anything at all.
I was simply trying to explain why I was in agreement with you on staging. .
Please have yourself a wonderful day.

Sorry to have misinterpreted you. I did not open the link, and that's my bad.

 

[Charlot123]

Hi Charlot, aren't they actually called Odinist? I'm seeing that "Odinite" is a mineral.

Here how it should be called officially,

Odinic Rite - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

However, I found all forms in literature.

It is interesting that the movement is taking roots here; historically, it failed in XX century. Mankind has passed the pagan stage millennia ago, so I suspect the religious part of it in modern “Sons of Odin” must be very superficial.

 

[sunshineray]

@TTF14

I believe that staging may also be used to satisfy something psychological or sexual in the murderer him/herself.
It is a way to present a fantasy.

Or the staging was a way to deflect. I found a few pictures from the up stream side of the Monon High Bridge. I wonder if RA hadn't seen simular things around in the area and staged the murder scene to look like that. Just some thoughts.

The closer shot is just an enlargement to show the branches, that look to have been manipulated, and the what seems to be arranged stones. Could be something or nothing, very curious though. JMO

 

[Ravenmoon]

Or the staging was a way to deflect. I found a few pictures from the up stream side of the Monon High Bridge. I wonder if RA hadn't seen simular things around in the area and staged the murder scene to look like that. Just some thoughts.

The closer shot is just an enlargement to show the branches, that look to have been manipulated, and the what seems to be arranged stones. Could be something or nothing, very curious though. JMO
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This is interesting!

It does feel like it would be similar to the crime scene!