MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

[Derph]

Expert witnesses constantly disagree with each other in trials, when they get into an area which is essentially speculation and theory. Expert witnesses for the defense are paid a great deal of money. If you believe the whole justice system is corrupt, why would you believe a retired medical pathogist was both incapable of error and uncorruptible?

JMO

The expert witnesses for the defense in this case weren't paid a single penny for their testimony.

 

[IDK]

The expert witnesses for the defense in this case weren't paid a single penny for their testimony.

Weren’t the engineering witnesses employed by ARCCA? So they would have been paid by their employer, if I understand correctly. Unless you are speaking of a different expert?


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[TTF14]

Weren’t the engineering witnesses employed by ARCCA? So they would have been paid by their employer, if I understand correctly. Unless you are speaking of a different expert?


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Of course they are paid by their employer for the work they do. I think you know the point was that they weren't paid by the defense.

 

[TIGER0822]

I have no idea! Luckily I’m not an ME or LE so it is not my job to figure it out

Just a random thought. A snowblower could have piled snow on top or him. The same snowblower they used to look at the crime scene, which also could have covered tracks . It appears that there was more snow on him than would have been expected. Darn! A snowplow could have got him too. Really dumped snow on him.MOO.

 

[TIGER0822]

Of course they are paid by their employer for the work they do. I think you know the point was that they weren't paid by the defense.

They were paid for by the FBI.

 

[TTF14]

They were paid for by the FBI.

That too.

 

[keek]

Butt dialed? Not recently.....can't remember. Several years I'm sure. Calling people accidentally while my phone is in my hand and I'm not paying attention to where my fingers are touching? Yes. 7 times in a row without it ever going to voicemail? Hell no.

Lies. Total lies.

IMO MOO

Everybody was butt dialing that night, all the involved parties. Wildddddd.

 

[TTF14]

Everybody was butt dialing that night, all the involved parties. Wildddddd.

Seems like the butt dialing meeting didn't end with a clear plan, at least not to all attendees. I can see it now...."Guys, we can't ALL claim butt dialing...so which one of us gets to claim it?" Then they somehow all got distracted by something else and never solidified the plan and forgot about it until they were on the stand....then, in their panic, they all claimed butt dialing. Oopsie Daisy.

Just a theory.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I have a question, how many of you good people have butt dialed someone with an IPhone or android? I'm literally curious because I haven't in about 18 years since I had a Blackberry.

When I got my new iPhone, every time I put my phone in my pocket, I was butt dialling the last person I chatted with or talked to. This never happened with my previous iPhone. Then I learned I needed to lock it before putting it into my pocket. It never happened after that. Butt dials can happen easily, I think, but not if it's just lying out on its own, such as on a bed. It needs some kind of pressure put on it to make it happen imo. And I'm pretty sure they haven't developed technology yet to butt-dial a return call made from a butt-dial. LOL.

 

[keek]

Seems like the butt dialing meeting didn't end with a clear plan, at least not to all attendees. I can see it now...."Guys, we can't ALL claim butt dialing...so which one of us gets to claim it?" Then they somehow all got distracted by something else and never solidified the plan and forgot about it until they were on the stand....then, in their panic, they all claimed butt dialing. Oopsie Daisy.

Just a theory.

MOO

This had to be it..

 

[TTF14]

Butt dials can happen easily, I think, but not if it's just lying out on its own, such as on a bed. It needs some kind of pressure put on it to make it happen imo.

Or...friction?

 

[keek]

Everybody was butt dialing that night, all the involved parties. Wildddddd.

Or...friction?

STAWPPPPP.

 

[kittythehare]

This had to be it..

It was game over for me when the dog walker claimed she'd never been inside their house..
The rehearsal theme collapsed entirely..
Poor coaching.

 

[kittythehare]

and the other dude ploughing imaginary snow before it arrived..

If they make a movie, it needs to be on the lines of The Life of Brian, is all.

 

[jepop]

This had to be it..

So sad I hav to miss discusion re Butt dials. quicgly adding one of the nice things to emerge from butt dial analysis is alliteration derrière dialing, credit of @I am not Sherlock H.

 

[keek]

So sad I hav to miss discusion re Butt dials. quicgly adding one of the nice things to emerge from butt dial analysis is alliteration derrière dialing, credit of @I am not Sherlock H.

Yes, he is a southern enough gentleman.

 

[sassyblue]

My 80+ year old father butt dials me at least 4 times a week with his IPhone. Mostly in the middle of my night.

There is a time difference between us and apparently he takes his phone to bed with him. So mystery solved from earlier posts today.

But I'm not buying that group of people's butt dialing. No way...no how.

 

[pavlovsdaughter]

My mom butt dials me a lot with her iPhone, but she always fills my voicemail inbox with dead air because she hasn’t realized. The combo of repeated butt dials and no voicemails is what doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Sachi]

I have explained this ad nauseum. JOK had not come home. JOK had young children at home he was caring for. Since taking care of those young children, JOK ALWAYS came home. So lets not act like him not coming home was some normal occurance and she should assume he's sleeping at a house he doesn't even know how to get to. JMO

This.

I imagine frozen ground could cause such an injury, if hit with the right force, at the right angle. But, I don't know.



I know that a lot of newer vehicles turn on and off automatically when they to a stop, and I am really not sure how a key cycle is defined. I am inclined to assume that Trooper Paul's data somehow makes sense, but if it doesn't, then it just emphasizes perhaps that we really don't know enough about what happened, to reconstruct exactly what happened.



In theory, the initial impact at a low speed would not have propelled him backwards, but it would have been just enough to propel him forward onto the back of the SUV, to change his angle and maybe lift his feet off of the ground. He would have then been propelled backwards upon further acceleration.



You are right that I am saying this. I don't think I am working backwards. "Karen obviously hit him" is what the evidence, in its entirety, states to me. At least, the evidence clearly suggests to me that Karen's SUV was involved in some sort of accident which occurred at the same approximate time as and at the same approximate location where John suffered injuries that directly or indirectly caused his death. And I can't think of another reasonable explanation for what happened to John which would be plausible enough to establish reasonable doubt.

this article.

Opinion | Karen Read’s legal team has pulled off a rare miracle in criminal defense

Read’s team has pulled off a rare miracle in criminal defense: They have constructed an alternate theory of police cover-up that actually has some evidence to support it.

www.msnbc.com

 

[Spectrix]

I imagine frozen ground could cause such an injury, if hit with the right force, at the right angle. But, I don't know.

My understanding of the conditions is that at the time of the supposed accident, the ground is unlikely to have been frozen. IE it wasn't cold enough in the lead up and it had only just started snowing. It takes a long time for the ground to freeze.

I know that a lot of newer vehicles turn on and off automatically when they to a stop, and I am really not sure how a key cycle is defined. I am inclined to assume that Trooper Paul's data somehow makes sense

A key cycle, in this context, is defined as the start button being pushed. Auto start/stop doesn't trigger a key cycle. Trooper Paul miscalculated the amount of keystrokes between when the accident occurred and the vehicle was finally tested. Key cycle #1162 is the one which had the data of the car reversing at 24MPH. This key cycle happened after the car was seized by the police.

In theory, the initial impact at a low speed would not have propelled him backwards, but it would have been just enough to propel him forward onto the back of the SUV, to change his angle and maybe lift his feet off of the ground. He would have then been propelled backwards upon further acceleration.

If JOK was hit with enough force to propel him anywhere, he would have at minimum bruising on his body. Trooper Paul is suggesting he was hit so hard that he travelled 30 feet. This would cause bruising, broken bones, organ damage etc.

You are right that I am saying this. I don't think I am working backwards. "Karen obviously hit him" is what the evidence, in its entirety, states to me.

I'm curious how you think this accident played out exactly. How do you figure that a 7000 pound Lexus hit a 220 pound man hard enough to propel him through the air and deposit him on someone's front lawn, without damaging his body aside from a bump on the head and a dog bitten arm?
It's preposterous.

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