MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

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I would think it’s hearsay until there’s some kind of sworn affidavit from a juror, could be wrong and the other 2 is friends of jurors that’s totally hearsay. Have to see how it plays out.

This is why I am a bit skeptical of this motion to dismiss.

It would obviously be a shocking development if the foreman and judge somehow failed to realise between them that the jury had acquitted the accused on a murder charge.

I don't see how the defence lawyers can be witnesses to the truth of that. Only what they were told later. The primary witness(es) need to testify to it.

Will they?

I am interested if something like this has ever happened before.

MOO
 
This is why I am a bit skeptical of this motion to dismiss.

It would obviously be a shocking development if the foreman and judge somehow failed to realise between them that the jury had acquitted the accused on a murder charge.

I don't see how the defence lawyers can be witnesses to the truth of that. Only what they were told later. The primary witness(es) need to testify to it.

Will they?

I am interested if something like this has ever happened before.

MOO
Found this

f there are two or more offenses or defendants tried together, the jury may with the consent of the judge at any time during its deliberations return or be required by the judge to return a verdict or verdicts with respect to the defendants or charges as to which a verdict has been reached; and thereafter the jury may in the discretion of the judge resume deliberation. The judge may declare a mistrial as to any charges upon which the jury cannot agree upon a verdict; provided, however, that the judge may first require the jury to return verdicts on those charges upon which the jury can agree and direct that such verdicts be received and recorded.

This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict. However, it must first receive and record the verdicts which the jury can agree upon. See ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury §§ 5.4-.5 (Approved Draft, 1968); Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.), supra, Rule 541.

ubdivision (b) does not prohibit retrial of those defendants as to whom the jury is unable to reach a verdict. This is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(b), which provides that, in cases of multiple defendants, disagreement as to one or more defendants has no effect upon the verdict as to any other defendant, and such defendant may be retried without violating the protection of the double jeopardy clause. 8A J. MOORE, FEDERAL PRACTICE para. 31.02[2] (1978 rev.). It has long been settled that jeopardy does not attach where the jury is discharged after inability to reach a verdict. United States v. Perez , 22 U.S. 579, 9 Wheat. 579 (1824); Thames v. Commonwealth , 365 Mass. 477 (1974). It is within the discretion of the court to declare a mistrial where there is a “manifest necessity.” United States v. Perez, supra at 580. Unless such “manifest necessity” exists, a second prosecution will be barred by the double jeopardy clause. Since Perez, it has been held that where the jury has been unable to agree upon a verdict, the declaration of a mistrial is a “classic example” of manifest necessity. United States v. Castellanos , 478 F.2d 749, 751 (2d Cir.1973). Thus the defendant may be retried without twice being placed in jeopardy.

Subdivision (d)

This subdivision is based upon Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(d), but differs in that the polling of the jury is to be discretionary with the court rather than a right of the defendant so as to conform to existing Massachusetts practice. That this discretion is well-settled in the Commonwealth was recently reaffirmed in Commonwealth v. Stewart , 375 Mass. 380 (1978). See also Commonwealth v. Valliere , 366 Mass. 479, 497 (1974); Commonwealth v. Caine , 366 Mass. 366, 375 (1974); Commonwealth v. Fleming , 360 Mass. 404, 408 (1971) (jurors polled); Commonwealth v. Beneficial Finance Co., supra, at 300-301. Under Rule 31 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and under the ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury § 5.5 (Approved Draft, 1968), a jury is to be polled only at the request of a party or upon the court's own motion. In any case, where a jury has been polled and there is not a unanimous concurrence, compare Commonwealth v. Fleming, supra, or it appears that the verdict was a compromise or other serious doubts are raised as to its integrity, see Commonwealth v. Stewart, supra, the court may declare a mistrial, or alternatively, order further deliberations. Accord, Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(e) (1974).
 
Well this won’t make any sense to those that buy into the conspiracy theory. For those of us that don’t, it goes like this. Julie and Chris were friends of John’s and obviously they are related to BA. MOO weren’t JA and CA also neighbors of John’s at one time. Julie is also friends with Proctors wife or was it sister?, to many players. Once Julie hears that MP is investigating the case she says she’s proud of him and wants to buy him a gift. That’s the thing, why would anyone buy him a gift….it was a gesture. Just like when she takes everyone doubts on their birthday, it who she is…..it’s kindness thing.
Also wasn’t MP the man on call or duty that morning ? Don’t recall him changing the schedule so he could run right in and grab this case…..MOO
I'm not buying this at all. JMO.
 
She looked like a fool, 'remembering', oh ya..
She came across as very foolish the whole time she was under cross w/defense. She even stifled a laugh when asked if she had been drunk that night. She had to hold her lips together to stop from laughing out loud, as if it was sooooo funny to be drunk. She must have forgotten she was on a witness stand in a murder trial and not in a bar.
MOO.
 
Turning the blind eye.
If you think about it… even sweet Lucky did it by not reporting the Ford Edge bc it was the Alberts.

This wasn’t some grand sit down planning out a conspiracy.
They just all played by the “ you saw nothing” rules.

I think they grew up expecting a pass.
Chris Albert murdered a person, got 6 months, now sits on a county board.

Who had another hit and run and was caught after a 30 hr man hunt?
Look the other way.
 
Hoping some jurors come out and tell us the factual numbers for the mistrial.
Not fair or reasonable that Jackson is still running the PR for this case.
Jackson tried his damnest, brought as many smoke and mirrors as he could muster to the table.
The case wasn't anywhere near as botched as the defence exaggerated it to be.
The sheer volume of people unconnected and unrelated insinuated to be part of a conspiracy that had no substance other than opinions like...well maybe this happened...and maybe that could have happened..... no factual evidence to support it.
The pro karen readers may be loud.... but it can not be discounted the amount of loved ones, professional good people of MA and their supporters... mad as hell at the shade thrown their way.
How sad times we live...when a mother enters the court house of HER SON, a good police officer MURDER trial and she is booed.


Its not going to be let go. No matter how many reshufflings might come along. A reshuffle doesn't mean anything negative for a department keen and capable of getting justice for not only one of their own...but to restore faith in their community that they are a force to be reckoned with.
AJ had to get that not guilty.
He didn't.

I have total faith the state will bring what it needs to this little county and get it done.
And if KR is smart she will plead out for Invol manslaughter and a DUI.


MOO
Is this a double post?
 
Let's be even more clear about what it actually means. Karen Read was acquitted of 2 out of 3 felony charges, but because the judge failed to do her job properly, the NOT GUILTY verdicts were not recorded.

That may not be a conspiracy, but it is still a reprehensible violation of the defendant's rights.
I've heard many mixed cues on this matter and believe the answer is provided in MA Criminal Procedure Rule 27 that this was at the discretion of the Judge, and not the jurors.

I seriously doubt the Jurors ever believed they had a choice in the matter (i.e., return a verdict on only one or two of the charges and resume deliberations).


(a) Return​

The verdict shall be unanimous. It shall be a general verdict returned by the jury to the judge in open court. The jury shall file a verdict slip with the clerk upon the return of the verdict.

(b) Several offenses or defendants​

If there are two or more offenses or defendants tried together, the jury may with the consent of the judge at any time during its deliberations return or be required by the judge to return a verdict or verdicts with respect to the defendants or charges as to which a verdict has been reached; and thereafter the jury may in the discretion of the judge resume deliberation. The judge may declare a mistrial as to any charges upon which the jury cannot agree upon a verdict; provided, however, that the judge may first require the jury to return verdicts on those charges upon which the jury can agree and direct that such verdicts be received and recorded.

(c) Special questions​

The trial judge may submit special questions to the jury.

(d) Poll of jury​

When a verdict is returned and before the verdict is recorded, the jury may be polled in the discretion of the judge. If after the poll there is not a unanimous concurrence, the jury may be directed to retire for further deliberations or may be discharged.

Reporter's notes​

This rule is patterned after Rule 31 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. Substantially, it reflects current Massachusetts practice as embodied in the common law and in statute. See former G.L. c. 278, § 11 (St.1964, c. 108, §§ 1-2).

Subdivision (a)
This subdivision requires that the verdict be unanimous. This is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(a).

Accord, Me.R.Crim.P. 31(a); Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(b) (1974). But see ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury § 1.1(b) (Approved Draft, 1968), which allows for less than a unanimous verdict. The requirement that the jury return a verdict slip with the verdict is a change from existing practice. The verdict slip is a written recital of the verdict. This practice conforms to Rule 535(a) of the Uniform Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) (1974). The use of a verdict slip will help reduce errors in the rendering and announcing of verdicts. See Commonwealth v. Brown , 367 Mass. 24, 27-29 (1975) (verdicts of not guilty returned, affirmed, and recorded and jury discharged; no error in permitting corrected verdicts to be entered since jury had remained undispersed, in custody, and had not been influenced), pet. for habeas corpus denied sub nom. Brown v. Gunter , 428 F.Supp. 889 (D.Mass.1977), aff'd, 562 F.2d 122 (1st Cir.1977).

Subdivision (b)
This subdivision permits a jury in multiple-defendant or multiple-offense cases, with the consent of the court, to return a verdict at any time during their deliberations with respect to charges or defendants as to which a verdict has been reached.

This rule also permits the court to require the return of such verdicts before the jury has reached a verdict as to all the defendants or charges. In either case, if the court directs, the jury is to continue its deliberations after rendering the verdicts under this subdivision. To the extent that this rule permits the jury to return such verdicts without having reached a decision on all the charges or defendants, it is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(b)-(c). Accord Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(c)-(d) (1974).

This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict. However, it must first receive and record the verdicts which the jury can agree upon. See ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury §§ 5.4-.5 (Approved Draft, 1968); Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.), supra, Rule 541.

Subdivision (b) does not prohibit retrial of those defendants as to whom the jury is unable to reach a verdict. This is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(b), which provides that, in cases of multiple defendants, disagreement as to one or more defendants has no effect upon the verdict as to any other defendant, and such defendant may be retried without violating the protection of the double jeopardy clause. 8A J. MOORE, FEDERAL PRACTICE para. 31.02[2] (1978 rev.).

It has long been settled that jeopardy does not attach where the jury is discharged after inability to reach a verdict. United States v. Perez , 22 U.S. 579, 9 Wheat. 579 (1824); Thames v. Commonwealth , 365 Mass. 477 (1974). It is within the discretion of the court to declare a mistrial where there is a “manifest necessity.” United States v. Perez, supra at 580. Unless such “manifest necessity” exists, a second prosecution will be barred by the double jeopardy clause. Since Perez, it has been held that where the jury has been unable to agree upon a verdict, the declaration of a mistrial is a “classic example” of manifest necessity. United States v. Castellanos , 478 F.2d 749, 751 (2d Cir.1973). Thus the defendant may be retried without twice being placed in jeopardy.

Subdivision (c)
One change in Massachusetts law is the elimination of the special verdict. General Laws c. 278, § 11 had authorized the jury to return a special verdict, although this procedure was seldom used. This subdivision does, however, recognize the practice of submitting special questions to the jury. See Commonwealth v. Beneficial Finance Co. , 360 Mass. 188, 299-300, (1971), cert. denied, 407 U.S. 910 (1972).

Special questions should, however, be used sparingly as they can “ ‘catechize’ a reluctant juror away from an acquittal and towards a seemingly more ‘logical’ conviction.” Heald v. Mullaney , 505 F.2d 1241, 1245 (1st Cir.1974), cert. denied, 420 U.S. 955 (1975).

Subdivision (d)
This subdivision is based upon Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(d), but differs in that the polling of the jury is to be discretionary with the court rather than a right of the defendant so as to conform to existing Massachusetts practice.

That this discretion is well-settled in the Commonwealth was recently reaffirmed in Commonwealth v. Stewart , 375 Mass. 380 (1978). See also Commonwealth v. Valliere , 366 Mass. 479, 497 (1974); Commonwealth v. Caine , 366 Mass. 366, 375 (1974); Commonwealth v. Fleming , 360 Mass. 404, 408 (1971) (jurors polled); Commonwealth v. Beneficial Finance Co., supra, at 300-301. Under Rule 31 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and under the ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury § 5.5 (Approved Draft, 1968), a jury is to be polled only at the request of a party or upon the court's own motion.

In any case, where a jury has been polled and there is not a unanimous concurrence, compare Commonwealth v. Fleming, supra, or it appears that the verdict was a compromise or other serious doubts are raised as to its integrity, see Commonwealth v. Stewart, supra, the court may declare a mistrial, or alternatively, order further deliberations. Accord, Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(e) (1974).
 
I've heard many mixed cues on this matter and believe the answer is provided in MA Criminal Procedure Rule 27 that this was at the discretion of the Judge, and not the jurors.

I seriously doubt the Jurors ever believed they had a choice in the matter (i.e., return a verdict on only one or two of the charges and resume deliberations).


(a) Return​

The verdict shall be unanimous. It shall be a general verdict returned by the jury to the judge in open court. The jury shall file a verdict slip with the clerk upon the return of the verdict.

(b) Several offenses or defendants​

If there are two or more offenses or defendants tried together, the jury may with the consent of the judge at any time during its deliberations return or be required by the judge to return a verdict or verdicts with respect to the defendants or charges as to which a verdict has been reached; and thereafter the jury may in the discretion of the judge resume deliberation. The judge may declare a mistrial as to any charges upon which the jury cannot agree upon a verdict; provided, however, that the judge may first require the jury to return verdicts on those charges upon which the jury can agree and direct that such verdicts be received and recorded.

(c) Special questions​

The trial judge may submit special questions to the jury.

(d) Poll of jury​

When a verdict is returned and before the verdict is recorded, the jury may be polled in the discretion of the judge. If after the poll there is not a unanimous concurrence, the jury may be directed to retire for further deliberations or may be discharged.

Reporter's notes​

This rule is patterned after Rule 31 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. Substantially, it reflects current Massachusetts practice as embodied in the common law and in statute. See former G.L. c. 278, § 11 (St.1964, c. 108, §§ 1-2).

Subdivision (a)
This subdivision requires that the verdict be unanimous. This is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(a).

Accord, Me.R.Crim.P. 31(a); Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(b) (1974). But see ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury § 1.1(b) (Approved Draft, 1968), which allows for less than a unanimous verdict. The requirement that the jury return a verdict slip with the verdict is a change from existing practice. The verdict slip is a written recital of the verdict. This practice conforms to Rule 535(a) of the Uniform Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) (1974). The use of a verdict slip will help reduce errors in the rendering and announcing of verdicts. See Commonwealth v. Brown , 367 Mass. 24, 27-29 (1975) (verdicts of not guilty returned, affirmed, and recorded and jury discharged; no error in permitting corrected verdicts to be entered since jury had remained undispersed, in custody, and had not been influenced), pet. for habeas corpus denied sub nom. Brown v. Gunter , 428 F.Supp. 889 (D.Mass.1977), aff'd, 562 F.2d 122 (1st Cir.1977).

Subdivision (b)
This subdivision permits a jury in multiple-defendant or multiple-offense cases, with the consent of the court, to return a verdict at any time during their deliberations with respect to charges or defendants as to which a verdict has been reached.

This rule also permits the court to require the return of such verdicts before the jury has reached a verdict as to all the defendants or charges. In either case, if the court directs, the jury is to continue its deliberations after rendering the verdicts under this subdivision. To the extent that this rule permits the jury to return such verdicts without having reached a decision on all the charges or defendants, it is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(b)-(c). Accord Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(c)-(d) (1974).

This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict. However, it must first receive and record the verdicts which the jury can agree upon. See ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury §§ 5.4-.5 (Approved Draft, 1968); Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.), supra, Rule 541.

Subdivision (b) does not prohibit retrial of those defendants as to whom the jury is unable to reach a verdict. This is consistent with Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(b), which provides that, in cases of multiple defendants, disagreement as to one or more defendants has no effect upon the verdict as to any other defendant, and such defendant may be retried without violating the protection of the double jeopardy clause. 8A J. MOORE, FEDERAL PRACTICE para. 31.02[2] (1978 rev.).

It has long been settled that jeopardy does not attach where the jury is discharged after inability to reach a verdict. United States v. Perez , 22 U.S. 579, 9 Wheat. 579 (1824); Thames v. Commonwealth , 365 Mass. 477 (1974). It is within the discretion of the court to declare a mistrial where there is a “manifest necessity.” United States v. Perez, supra at 580. Unless such “manifest necessity” exists, a second prosecution will be barred by the double jeopardy clause. Since Perez, it has been held that where the jury has been unable to agree upon a verdict, the declaration of a mistrial is a “classic example” of manifest necessity. United States v. Castellanos , 478 F.2d 749, 751 (2d Cir.1973). Thus the defendant may be retried without twice being placed in jeopardy.

Subdivision (c)
One change in Massachusetts law is the elimination of the special verdict. General Laws c. 278, § 11 had authorized the jury to return a special verdict, although this procedure was seldom used. This subdivision does, however, recognize the practice of submitting special questions to the jury. See Commonwealth v. Beneficial Finance Co. , 360 Mass. 188, 299-300, (1971), cert. denied, 407 U.S. 910 (1972).

Special questions should, however, be used sparingly as they can “ ‘catechize’ a reluctant juror away from an acquittal and towards a seemingly more ‘logical’ conviction.” Heald v. Mullaney , 505 F.2d 1241, 1245 (1st Cir.1974), cert. denied, 420 U.S. 955 (1975).

Subdivision (d)
This subdivision is based upon Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(d), but differs in that the polling of the jury is to be discretionary with the court rather than a right of the defendant so as to conform to existing Massachusetts practice.

That this discretion is well-settled in the Commonwealth was recently reaffirmed in Commonwealth v. Stewart , 375 Mass. 380 (1978). See also Commonwealth v. Valliere , 366 Mass. 479, 497 (1974); Commonwealth v. Caine , 366 Mass. 366, 375 (1974); Commonwealth v. Fleming , 360 Mass. 404, 408 (1971) (jurors polled); Commonwealth v. Beneficial Finance Co., supra, at 300-301. Under Rule 31 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and under the ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury § 5.5 (Approved Draft, 1968), a jury is to be polled only at the request of a party or upon the court's own motion.

In any case, where a jury has been polled and there is not a unanimous concurrence, compare Commonwealth v. Fleming, supra, or it appears that the verdict was a compromise or other serious doubts are raised as to its integrity, see Commonwealth v. Stewart, supra, the court may declare a mistrial, or alternatively, order further deliberations. Accord, Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.) Rule 535(e) (1974).

So do you see this turning into a more of an appeal on the legal aspects of how the Judge handled the jury?

I can't see the trial Judge granting the motion to dismiss ....

MOO
 
We don't know what the 12 jurors will say about the two counts and their agreement or lack thereof, but the judge brought this all upon herself by not simply clarifying if they were deadlocked on all counts or not. She dismissed the jury at a dizzying speed; I've never seen anything like it. Thanks! Bye!

None of the YouTube lawyers seem to agree on whether this goes anywhere (and most don't practice in MA) but at a minimum an evidentiary hearing will probably have to happen (no way the judge dismisses the counts on her own, IMO) and this keeps the case in the courts and the media. And because this was a comically (tragically comic) bad investigation and a long, messy trial, this is not a good development for the Commonwealth. If they were hoping for a lull, they aren't getting one. Read's new appellate attorney is apparently very well regarded.
 
Well this won’t make any sense to those that buy into the conspiracy theory. For those of us that don’t, it goes like this. Julie and Chris were friends of John’s and obviously they are related to BA. MOO weren’t JA and CA also neighbors of John’s at one time. Julie is also friends with Proctors wife or was it sister?, to many players. Once Julie hears that MP is investigating the case she says she’s proud of him and wants to buy him a gift. That’s the thing, why would anyone buy him a gift….it was a gesture. Just like when she takes everyone doubts on their birthday, it who she is…..it’s kindness thing.
Also wasn’t MP the man on call or duty that morning ? Don’t recall him changing the schedule so he could run right in and grab this case…..MOO
What a decent bunch of humans these folk are.
John belonged to a wonderful network who has been savaged by this tragedy.:confused:

moo
 
So do you see this turning into a more of an appeal on the legal aspects of how the Judge handled the jury?

I can't see the trial Judge granting the motion to dismiss ....

MOO
The only thing I see clearly is that the MA criminal court seems to operate in a vacuum!

I don't understand the Court's fight over jury instructions, verdict form, or why it wasn't clear to the jurors they could deliver verdicts on charges as they reached them-- eliminating the need for the defense Motion.

I don't think this Court will acknowledge affidavits from the jurors (affirming the defendant was acquitted on two charges), claiming no do-overs-- because it would confirm the Court's error. But I also wouldn't be surprised if the DA refiled the same charges for round two.

And yes, I only see the defense Motion being heard by a higher Court. Guess they will cross that bridge if/when the defendant is recharged. JMO.
 
The only thing I see clearly is that the MA criminal court seems to operate in a vacuum!

I don't understand the Court's fight over jury instructions, verdict form, or why it wasn't clear to the jurors they could deliver verdicts on charges as they reached them-- eliminating the need for the defense Motion.

I don't think this Court will acknowledge affidavits from the jurors (affirming the defendant was acquitted on two charges), claiming no do-overs-- because it would confirm the Court's error. But I also wouldn't be surprised if the DA refiled the same charges for round two.

And yes, I only see the defense Motion being heard by a higher Court. Guess they will cross that bridge if/when the defendant is recharged. JMO.
that is my reading too of this utterly bizarre state of affairs.
 
To pick the dog up and take it out of the house to walk it? And occasionally, sometimes the dog walker needs to use the washroom.
My dog has a regular dogwalker who picks him up twice per week. The only time the dog walker has ever been inside my house was on the initial meet and greet, and that was only sitting at my kitchen table. When she arrives, my dog is ready and waiting to go at the front door. When she drops him back she doesn't come inside my house.
 
Hoping some jurors come out and tell us the factual numbers for the mistrial.
Not fair or reasonable that Jackson is still running the PR for this case.
Jackson tried his damnest, brought as many smoke and mirrors as he could muster to the table.
The case wasn't anywhere near as botched as the defence exaggerated it to be.
The sheer volume of people unconnected and unrelated insinuated to be part of a conspiracy that had no substance other than opinions like...well maybe this happened...and maybe that could have happened..... no factual evidence to support it.
The pro karen readers may be loud.... but it can not be discounted the amount of loved ones, professional good people of MA and their supporters... mad as hell at the shade thrown their way.
How sad times we live...when a mother enters the court house of HER SON, a good police officer MURDER trial and she is booed.


Its not going to be let go. No matter how many reshufflings might come along. A reshuffle doesn't mean anything negative for a department keen and capable of getting justice for not only one of their own...but to restore faith in their community that they are a force to be reckoned with.
AJ had to get that not guilty.
He didn't.

I have total faith the state will bring what it needs to this little county and get it done.
And if KR is smart she will plead out for Invol manslaughter and a DUI.


MOO
“A reshuffle doesn't mean anything negative for a department keen and capable of getting justice for not only one of their own...but to restore faith in their community that they are a force to be reckoned with.”

“One of their own.”
If only he had been treated that way.
As a resident of Norfolk county I know what goes on here. You can’t pretend it isn’t as if nothing went on with these people. Everybody knows. Talking points don’t fool people.
The piece that the jury did not know was about the fbi. Iirc Bev deemed that too predjuducal. The jury did not know that the fbi hired the experts (unaffiliated with anyone to do with the trial ie no bias) so I don’t think the jurors gave the testimony of those experts enough weight.
I imagine they thought anyone can hire an expert to say anything and did not listen to the science.
The state will make this go away. It’s a national embarrassment. To dig their heels in is a losing proposition.
The state knows that. Strategery lol.
What the CW says they will do and what they end up doing will be two different things.
Imo.
 
I can't link it because there is a paywall but one legal expert said in the Boston Globe today that they think the filing increases the chances the commonwealth only charges manslaughter next time to avoid a dragged out appeals process. I don't think anyone thinks the judge will dismiss the charges on her own but this is still a very smart and necessary move on the part of the defense.
 
My dog has a regular dogwalker who picks him up twice per week. The only time the dog walker has ever been inside my house was on the initial meet and greet, and that was only sitting at my kitchen table. When she arrives, my dog is ready and waiting to go at the front door. When she drops him back she doesn't come inside my house.

My brother has dogwalkers through Rover. The person always goes in the house. Otherwise the dog would have to be left outside all day and night until the walker arrives. Certainly can't do that in the heat.
 
My dog has a regular dogwalker who picks him up twice per week. The only time the dog walker has ever been inside my house was on the initial meet and greet, and that was only sitting at my kitchen table. When she arrives, my dog is ready and waiting to go at the front door. When she drops him back she doesn't come inside my house.
If your dog was crated or in a different room or had full run out of the house, that would change. Same with if your walker had to use the washroom or wash their hands.
 
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