US - Shots fired at Donald Trump rally in Pennsylvania as former president is seen with blood across his face, 13 July 2024

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Was there a ladder? I missed that. Why would a ladder be up against a building. That might be an invitation for problems.
@Fabled Automatic posted a pic in the following post. The ladder can be seen behind the evergreen trees/shrubs.
 
The shooter attempted to somewhat hide his ladder

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The shot you posted above is here on Google maps, you can zoom in and out and Google walk the facility from a few different angles. What do you mean hide his ladder?


 
I'll certainly didn't mean to imply that, and understand how my statement does appear to convey that.

I guess what I'm trying to say... Is, as we see with so many families here, exposed to horrific trauma, the ability to heal is in the answers to the questions .... why did this happen, how did this happen, who's responsible, who's accountable, what are we going to do to prevent it in the future.

I don't think we can heal until we know what and why. It's just human nature. We see families suffer through trials, seeking answers.
Moo

I understand your frustration. I could not and would not work in LE, so I'm not meaning to criticize anyone in particular, but reading things like:
The apparent assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump at a rally Saturday did not prompt any changes to the U.S. Secret Service’s security plan for the Republican National Convention that starts Monday
is, in my opinion, NOT what hurting Americans are needing nor wanting to hear right now. When wounds are still fresh, fears are still high, and many questions still unanswered, saying "we don't need to change anything" does nothing to quell those fears and comfort a disturbed public. One is dead, others injured, and a President was almost killed. Just saying, they could have worked on their optics a little.

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@Fabled Automatic posted a pic in the following post. The ladder can be seen behind the evergreen trees/shrubs.
The red circle of the object on the roof confuses the comment about the ladder behind the bushes.
 
The shot you posted above is here on Google maps, you can zoom in and out and Google walk the facility from a few different angles. What do you mean hide his ladder?



I'm guessing he felt putting it behind those large cedars was a good cover for the ladder.
 
Where did the killer get a ladder? He was seen before the shooting. Someone would have noticed him carrying that big ladder.
If he was denied entry to the rally, perhaps this was a back up plan. The explosives in the vehicle a third plan. ? It will be interesting to know if he had planted the ladder on the property ahead of time, and if so was this property actually swept by LE/SS? If so, was it missed? If not, why not.
 
This may have already been said - but it bears repeating, if Trump had not turned his head when he did, it likely would be a different story. I don’t think the shooter was as bad a shot as is being implied.
Agree, I think the men in the bleachers were shot because the Cop appeared. It's been said when the officer retreated, he laid down and immediately began to fire. In other words, he was forced to hurry and take aim before he could be stopped.

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The shot you posted above is here on Google maps, you can zoom in and out and Google walk the facility from a few different angles. What do you mean hide his ladder?


Thanks for those links. I wonder if any of those buildings have cameras that cover the parking areas. Curious if he’d been on film, so to speak, scoping out the place in person. You’d think he would have had to go in person at least once, as the access wasn’t simple.
 
If you see the distance from where he was on the roof, to his ladder, to his parked vehicle (not very far), my guess would be he intended to flee and force a standoff with LE, perhaps goading them to approach his car. MOO
ETA - See MassGuys cropped photo.

Here's what the witness who first saw Crooks said, "we saw a guy crawling, army, bear crawling up the roof of the building". Hear his account for yourself Trump rally: Witness says he saw gunman minutes before shots were fired

 
You keep mentioning a ladder, where is that information coming from?

Here's what the witness who first saw Crooks said, "we saw a guy crawling, army, bear crawling up the roof of the building". Hear his account for yourself Trump rally: Witness says he saw gunman minutes before shots were fired

There are pipes that run to the top of the roof, is that how he got to the roof? The siding is channeled, but smooth - no way he's "bear crawling" up that.
Here’s the ladder stuff:

Several rallygoers reported to local officers that Crooks was acting suspiciously and pacing near the magnetometers, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation. Officers were then told Crooks was climbing a ladder, the official said. Officers searched for him but were unable to find him before he made it to the roof, the official added.

Butler County Sheriff Michael Slupe told the AP that a local officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who saw the officer and turned toward him just before the officer dropped down to safety. Slupe said the officer couldn’t have wielded his own gun under the circumstances. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, according to two officials who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

 
Where did the killer get a ladder? He was seen before the shooting. Someone would have noticed him carrying that big ladder.
The ladder is interesting to me. If his vehicle is one of the ones seen nearby the building in the ladder pic, how did he get the ladder there? Taller aluminum ladders can shorten, but not enough to not be placed on a rack or truck bed.
 
I hope counselling is made available to the rally attendees. It may not affect them immediately but being present at an incident like this can't fail to affect them somehow.
I hope counseling is made available to all attendees of events involving public shootings.

Do campaign events matter more than concerts or classrooms or shopping malls or church services?

Seeing people bloodied — and children torn into bloody lumps — is traumatic.

That said, I’ve come to believe that the images of the aftermath should be shared and shared widely like this one is. We’re all fortunate that former Pres. Trump is still on this earth.

MOO.
 
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