Found Deceased OK - Caitlyn Rose Case, 33, Traveling from Louisiana to Colorado, vehicle abandoned in Fort Towson, 5 Aug 2022

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Can't see the link, but hoping justice is found for her

 

[Wilma_W]

There is now a Youtube video from News 9 (I think that is CBS):

If that link doesn't work, it is titled

Oklahoma's Own Originals: Missing Case | True Crime Documentary​

 

[cenazoic]

Good doc, about half way through watching it. Right now, lots of new/additional details about her location/activities around Bogata/Cunningham.

 

[Kittybunny]

That has nothing to do with this horrible thing that happened to her now. If she is responsible for her own death , what is everyone, including the police trying to hide. They never did a search around the whole area , they didn't try to get a search warrant to search the area where her car was found, why didn't the person living on the property call the police that night when she said she saw 2 cars coming through her gate & only seeing 1 car leave ? Too many unanswered questions, too many changed stories.

It’s sad but true that one of the reasons that police weren’t as proactive initially may be her past track record - they just assume that she was intoxicated and figure she’d turn up or her car would be found, which it has. Of course, her trouble was 13 years ago so you think it would be irrelevant, but unfortunately people who are known to have addiction problems or criminal records who go missing can be discriminated against.

But relative to other missing persons, I actually think police provided a lot of information - they shared all the info from her routes, security video footage, etc.,

Why did they not aggressively search for her? She could have been injured in a crash needing medical attention. I do agree that it’s odd that the property owners’ son stopped the search and LE should have gotten a warrant immediately following the discovery of her car. That is inexplicable.

And telling her mother that she could have been eaten by wild hogs…that is inexcusable. Now that she has been found, I hope LE vigorously pushes for answers, and if needed, justice.

I’m with @azure in believing that death by misadventure remains a possibility. Sheridan Wahl, that startup exec in CA, David Schultz the trucker - these cases where the circumstances point towards foul play but ultimately are not, definitely come to mind.

Edited to add: Now that I watched the video above, I’m even more in the camp that this was death by misadventure, like David Schultz. Her father admits that she has struggled with meth and police found a pipe under her car. She says she was scared, claimed her GPS was hacked, had a FaceTime with someone for an hour who was from her past drug acquaintances. Paranoia and fear are hallmarks of meth usage.

 

[brittanyoshell]

It’s sad but true that one of the reasons that police weren’t as proactive initially may be her past track record - they just assume that she was intoxicated and figure she’d turn up or her car would be found, which it has. Of course, her trouble was 13 years ago so you think it would be irrelevant, but unfortunately people who are known to have addiction problems or criminal records who go missing can be discriminated against.

But relative to other missing persons, I actually think police provided a lot of information - they shared all the info from her routes, security video footage, etc.,

Why did they not aggressively search for her? She could have been injured in a crash needing medical attention. I do agree that it’s odd that the property owners’ son stopped the search and LE should have gotten a warrant immediately following the discovery of her car. That is inexplicable.

And telling her mother that she could have been eaten by wild hogs…that is inexcusable. Now that she has been found, I hope LE vigorously pushes for answers, and if needed, justice.

I’m with @azure in believing that death by misadventure remains a possibility. Sheridan Wahl, that startup exec in CA, David Schultz the trucker - these cases where the circumstances point towards foul play but ultimately are not, definitely come to mind.

I agree that people with addiction problems can be discriminated against but it's not accurate that her problems were only 13 years ago. She was arrested in 2020 for possession of drug paraphernalia.

 

[Kittybunny]

Reposting this because it’s a must watch:

There is now a Youtube video from News 9 (I think that is CBS):

If that link doesn't work, it is titled

Oklahoma's Own Originals: Missing Case | True Crime Documentary​

It’s chock-full of lots of information. Really great investigative reporting here. Incompetence and secrecy from LE, but I don’t believe they planted the body. We know how often bodies are missed.

Regardless of what actually happened, my heart breaks for Gordon Case.

 

[Kittybunny]

I agree that people with addiction problems can be discriminated against but it's not accurate that her problems were only 13 years ago. She was arrested in 2020 for possession of drug paraphernalia.

Thank you - yes, I was catching up on this case and had missed that. Given that this was more recent, it makes it even more likely that this could be a factor.

 

[brittanyoshell]

Thank you - yes, I was catching up on this case and had missed that. Given that this was more recent, it makes it even more likely that this could be a factor.

My belief has been that she was not sober and that's why her route and the timeline don't makes sense. I'm still confused about someone saying her pants were on the dashboard but I feel like most of the things that happened that day can be explained by the fact that people under the influence of drugs or alcohol do not always make the most rational decisions.

 

[brittanyoshell]

There was a case a while ago (sorry I don't remember her name) of a woman I believe in Texas who disappeared on her way to work. She was found dead in her own car in a parking lot. Everyone of course thought she had been murdered but it turns out that she just made some bad choices while she was drunk that resulted in her death. She had gotten super drunk in her car, shut the car off, got in the passenger seat, blacked out and then died because of the excessive heat. All this to say that sober minds can't explain the actions of people under the influence. The route and timeline doesn't seem rational because it's not.

 

[Kittybunny]

There was a case a while ago (sorry I don't remember her name) of a woman I believe in Texas who disappeared on her way to work. She was found dead in her own car in a parking lot. Everyone of course thought she had been murdered but it turns out that she just made some bad choices while she was drunk that resulted in her death. She had gotten super drunk in her car, shut the car off, got in the passenger seat, blacked out and then died because of the excessive heat. All this to say that sober minds can't explain the actions of people under the influence. The route and timeline doesn't seem rational because it's not.

Chrissy Powell. Autopsy says Texas mum found dead in car park died from overheating after drinking

Another is David Schultz. Abandoned his truck full of baby piggies enroute to the drop off in the middle of the road, wasn’t found until a year later very close to where the truck was found. COD was hypothermia and meth intoxication.

Death certificate: Trucker David Schultz died from hypothermia related to methamphetamine intoxication

David Schultz died from hypothermia related to acute methamphetamine intoxication, according to a copy of the death certificate for the Wall Lake trucker. Dr. Kelly Kruse, a state medical examiner, listed Schultz's manner of death as an accident.

globegazette.com

 

[Rush4087]

Really (really) impressive investigative reporting imo. Must’ve been extremely frustrating dealing with LE agencies (esp OSBI who, if the documentary was correct, seemed to almost go out their way to be uncooperative (especially if they supposedly felt the case was pretty much closed)). What are they afraid of? Jmo

Although I now believe that CRC may indeed have been extremely intoxicated and possibly suffering from severe psychosis, delusions, and paranoia, I still (like many others I’m sure) have lots of questions about what happened.

Was LE able to confirm who she spoke to for about a hour from the gas station before apparently turning around and heading back (east I guess) toward LA? What did that person say about her mental condition?

And if (IF) she was indeed headed back to LA, why would she take a hard left and head nw toward Bogata and Paris, TX (let alone then head sw into the solar farm area). It seems that even extreme inebriation wouldn’t explain some of this. The dirt roads near the solar farm look nothing like a state highway headed back toward Shreveport.

If it is true that she left the (Dollar?) store a first time in a white SUV (I assume it was a Dollar Store, as that’s what was being shown as they were speaking to the store employee) before returning and then leaving a second time in her own vehicle, it changes (or explains?) a lot.

And I still would like to know specifically why LE came out and said that they didn’t believe she was the one operating her own vehicle as it travelled away from nw Paris, TX into OK. I don’t think you’d make such announcement if you just couldn’t quite make out who was driving. Who / what did they see? Why not just explain at this point?

It was also interesting to learn that a drug pipe wrapped in a blue handkerchief was found under CRC’s vehicle. Was the handkerchief and pipe tested for prints, dna, substances? Same for the clothing items found in the field. Under the circumstances I would think doing this testing would be SOP.

Given the apparent unwillingness of LE to answer these and other questions, we may never know more than we do right now.

Very sad for Caitlyn’s family

All jmo

 

[brittanyoshell]

Chrissy Powell. Autopsy says Texas mum found dead in car park died from overheating after drinking

Another is David Schultz. Abandoned his truck full of baby piggies enroute to the drop off in the middle of the road, wasn’t found until a year later very close to where the truck was found. COD was hypothermia and meth intoxication.

Death certificate: Trucker David Schultz died from hypothermia related to methamphetamine intoxication

David Schultz died from hypothermia related to acute methamphetamine intoxication, according to a copy of the death certificate for the Wall Lake trucker. Dr. Kelly Kruse, a state medical examiner, listed Schultz's manner of death as an accident.

globegazette.com

Yes that's who I was thinking of. Thank you!

 

[Protectwomenandgirls]

Really (really) impressive investigative reporting imo. Must’ve been extremely frustrating dealing with LE agencies (esp OSBI who, if the documentary was correct, seemed to almost go out their way to be uncooperative (especially if they supposedly felt the case was pretty much closed)). What are they afraid of? Jmo

Although I now believe that CRC may indeed have been extremely intoxicated and possibly suffering from severe psychosis, delusions, and paranoia, I still (like many others I’m sure) have lots of questions about what happened.

Was LE able to confirm who she spoke to for about a hour from the gas station before apparently turning around and heading back (east I guess) toward LA? What did that person say about her mental condition?

And if (IF) she was indeed headed back to LA, why would she take a hard left and head nw toward Bogata and Paris, TX (let alone then head sw into the solar farm area). It seems that even extreme inebriation wouldn’t explain some of this. The dirt roads near the solar farm look nothing like a state highway headed back toward Shreveport.

If it is true that she left the (Dollar?) store a first time in a white SUV (I assume it was a Dollar Store, as that’s what was being shown as they were speaking to the store employee) before returning and then leaving a second time in her own vehicle, it changes (or explains?) a lot.

And I still would like to know specifically why LE came out and said that they didn’t believe she was the one operating her own vehicle as it travelled away from nw Paris, TX into OK. I don’t think you’d make such announcement if you just couldn’t quite make out who was driving. Who / what did they see? Why not just explain at this point?

It was also interesting to learn that a drug pipe wrapped in a blue handkerchief was found under CRC’s vehicle. Was the handkerchief and pipe tested for prints, dna, substances? Same for the clothing items found in the field. Under the circumstances I would think doing this testing would be SOP.

Given the apparent unwillingness of LE to answer these and other questions, we may never know more than we do right now.

Very sad for Caitlyn’s family

All jmo

Highly doubt they would test drug paraphernalia if she had a past record of drug use, but I agree that they should.
Don't think she was the only person there and any method of testing should be used to discover who else was involved

 

[cenazoic]

I mean, even if she wasn’t sober, nothing about how her car ended up where it did, especially relative to her remains, makes any sense at all.

Speaking of drugs and her car, I also don’t understand what finding a pipe ‘underneath’ it means in the context of her vehicle being hung up in some trees, some 70’ above the river.