Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #9

[changintimes]

And now Dann will try to get him off on a technicality. Lynn will still be a liar and a murderer. And a wife abuser and a violent animal killer. Dann can't change that!

Pretty wild unfounded accusations there. Have you got a nice big coin pit?

 

[changintimes]

Camper killer may use rare legal move to delay sentence

Greg Lynn's lawyer indicated he will appeal his murder conviction over the death of camper Carol Clay and...

www.northweststar.com.au

Mr Dann then flagged his intention to seek a rare legal move to delay Lynn's sentence under s309 of the Criminal Procedure Act.

"The law says such an application could only be allowed in highly unusual, highly extreme situations," he said.
"That is an extremely rare application to even make and even more rare to be granted."

Justice Michael Croucher said the application to stay, if granted, would delay Lynn's sentence pending an appeal.

Wouldn't that be great. A bail application could be pending!

 

[wallyworld]

And now Dann will try to get him off on a technicality. Lynn will still be a liar and a murderer. And a wife abuser and a violent animal killer. Dann can't change that!

If only such common sense prevailed!
So very frustrating knowing that these sort of appeals are contributing to clogging up the court system causing delays for other cases.
GL is exactly where he should be. Even if we put aside the fact that he was found GUILTY for the murder of Carol Clay, the manner in which he desecrated the bodies of Russell and Carol is abhorent and alarming.

 

[wallyworld]

And truth is truth. It is that simple.

We know Greg Lynn is a liar. He initially told the police he had never met Russell Hill and Carol Clay.

Lynn then provided the police and the court with his little fantasy story of how Hill and Clay died and we saw how well that went with the jury.

Lynn is a liar and a murderer.

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>
Even if we put aside the fact that he was found GUILTY for the murder of Carol Clay, the manner in which he desecrated the bodies of Russell and Carol is abhorent and alarming.

It is also a strong indicator of his guilt. Instead of spending hours burning their bodies, he could have spent some time digging graves to lay them to rest ... intact. IF they had died in the manner in which he claims.

imo

 

[wallyworld]

Wouldn't that be great. A bail application could be pending!

Interested to know why you think it would be great.
It is obvious that the majority of us who have posted on this thread believe that GL is where he belongs, behind bars.
This is for obvious reasons that have been posted in this forum.
It would be interesting to hear from someone who disagrees with the majority and your reasoning for this.
Perhaps we are missing something.

 

[wallyworld]

It is also a strong indicator of his guilt. Instead of spending hours burning their bodies, he could have spent some time digging graves to lay them to rest ... intact. IF they had died in the manner in which he claims.

imo

or the most obvious thing to have done would have been to contact police/ambulance.

 

[stacey_victoria]

I think it more likely was putting the source of gossip and serious unfounded allegations on notice. IMO

How would he know what's being talked about currently if he's been in prison for years?

Pretty wild unfounded accusations there. Have you got a nice big coin pit?

Majority of those things were witnessed. And lo and behold this time where any possible witnesses both died, he just happens to be totally and completely innocent! He should have bought a lottery ticket.

 

[sapphire blue]

And truth is truth. It is that simple.

Not everyone can handle the truth, the truth is GL is a liar, that is a fact.

the truth is that your sympathies appear to be with GL rather than the actual victims

 

[sapphire blue]

or the most obvious thing to have done would have been to contact police/ambulance.

Exactly, if was an accident that’s the logical thing to do, as they would know that the evidence would back up what they were saying and they would be in the clear.

Going to great lengths to destroy and hide the evidence speaks volumes.

 

[wallyworld]

Majority of those things were witnessed. And lo and behold this time where any possible witnesses both died, he just happens to be totally and completely innocent! He should have bought a lottery ticket.

Valid comment Stacey_victoria. There are first-hand witnesses to many of the stories and I am positive that the police have spoken to these witnesses.

 

[wallyworld]

Did GL have any character witnesses in court?
I can't recall any being called.
Isn't this unusual?

 

[wallyworld]

Did GL have any character witnesses in court?
I can't recall any being called.
Isn't this unusual?

I found my answer :

In a pre-trial hearing over the deaths of the elderly couple, Lynn's barrister Dermot Dann said the defence was considering introducing evidence pointing to his "good character".
Prosecutors said they would counter that, and discussed potential evidence, including statements from Ms Lynn's grieving family which were part of the coroner's brief.
In the end, both sets of lawyers agreed to leave the topic out of the murder trial.
The hearing was read part of a statement from Ms Lynn's mother, which said she believed her daughter was "living in absolute fear of Greg".

READ FULL ARTICLE HERE

 

[SouthAussie]

Did GL have any character witnesses in court?
I can't recall any being called.
Isn't this unusual?

I think the next hearing, on 12th September, is where that may happen (if it happens). It is when the victim impact statements will be read. And also when the defence has its say about what it thinks are mitigating factors.


6.17 Unless otherwise ordered, the defence is to also file and serve no later than 7 days prior to the sentencing hearing the following materials:

• any character references/testimonials sought to be tendered; and ....

6.18 If the accused seeks to rely on any written character references/testimonials at the sentencing hearing, the Court expects that ....

SC CR 4 Sentencing hearings (Third revision)

The Practice Note, as revised, will apply to all sentencing hearings set down on or after 4 March 2024. It replaces the previous version (Second revision) which came into effect on 1 July 2018.

www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au

 

[JLZ]

I think the next hearing, on 12th September, is where that may happen (if it happens). It is when the victim impact statements will be read. And also when the defence has its say about what it thinks are mitigating factors.


6.17 Unless otherwise ordered, the defence is to also file and serve no later than 7 days prior to the sentencing hearing the following materials:

• any character references/testimonials sought to be tendered; and ....

6.18 If the accused seeks to rely on any written character references/testimonials at the sentencing hearing, the Court expects that ....

SC CR 4 Sentencing hearings (Third revision)

The Practice Note, as revised, will apply to all sentencing hearings set down on or after 4 March 2024. It replaces the previous version (Second revision) which came into effect on 1 July 2018.

www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au

Character evidence--evidence of good character--can also be submitted at trial to show that it would have been out of character for the accused to have done the crime, and so raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury.

 

[wallyworld]

Character evidence--evidence of good character--can also be submitted at trial to show that it would have been out of character for the accused to have done the crime, and so raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury.

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Pretty wild unfounded accusations there.

What is unfounded in that list?

Liar?
Lynn lied to the police. He initially told them he'd never met or seen Russell Hill and Carol Clay. That makes him a liar and not just a run of the mill liar. Someone who lies to the police.

Murderer?
Lynn is a convicted murderer awaiting sentencing.

Wife abuser?
That is well documented. Forgotten how he 'locked his wife out in the cold to teach her a lesson'.

Violent animal killer?
The pig? The dog?

All of the above are founded.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Did GL have any character witnesses in court?
I can't recall any being called.
Isn't this unusual?

The prosecution had 48 witnesses. The defence had one witness, Lynn himself.

There is a very good reason why the defence didn't call any character witnesses. If they had, the prosecution would have been entitled to call rebuttal witnesses and those witnesses would have been able to convey to the jury exactly what type of person they had sitting in front of them in the dock and that's the very last thing Dann and Lynn wanted to happen

 

[BreakingNews]

Wouldn't that be great. A bail application could be pending!

Could you please share your reasoning for your support of Lynn? Am trying to understand your opinions.

 

[AussieIan]

Interested to know why you think it would be great.
It is obvious that the majority of us who have posted on this thread believe that GL is where he belongs, behind bars.
This is for obvious reasons that have been posted in this forum.
It would be interesting to hear from someone who disagrees with the majority and your reasoning for this.
Perhaps we are missing something.

Hell I questioned you guys a lot but the new blokes like a dog chasing a car.


Anyway re: the money situation and Melanie and his kids, he'd have a fair bit in super for them, enough for a house even if they lost their one. Even if he was on decent coin at 260k the tax man cuts that down a lot. If he was smart he'd have been contributing the maximum to his super and his family (I assume?) be able to claim thst given his situation? At least half of it.

He should have more than a million in there.