4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

[CKS]

What does everyone make of the four of them having different injuries? According to the PCA Xana had wounds caused by an edged weapon, Ethan had sharp-force wounds, and the other two had stab wounds. PCA link

 

[MeadowMuffin]

What does everyone make of the four of them having different injuries? According to the PCA Xana had wounds caused by an edged weapon, Ethan had sharp-force wounds, and the other two had stab wounds. PCA link

An edged weapon can refer to a knife, or machete, or some type of bladed weapon. This is in contrast to a blunt object, such as a baseball bat.

An edged weapon can cause a stab wound or a slash wound, depending on how the killer used it. A stab or slash IS a sharp force wound. "Sharp force wound" is from a bladed instrument as opposed to blunt force wound such as a baseball bat.

All 4 were killed by stab/slash wounds caused by an edged weapon, IOW a knife.

 

[Balthazar]

A small cell sample indicative of a
protected location.
The PCA only includes what is necessary for arrest and to support no bail due to proof evident, or presumption great.

Hopefully, there will be more DNA evidence or other proof of BK's presence inside 1122 King Rd. It is unfortunate that we have to wait until the trial to find out if there is or isn't. The small amount of evidence we know about thus far, IMO, is not enough for a conviction.

 

[arielilane]

Defense wants murder trial in Boise, ID. Full article at link.


MOSCOW (Idaho Statesman) — Ahead of a hearing next month, attorneys for Idaho student homicides suspect Bryan Kohberger have labeled his prospects at a fair trial in Moscow both an “extreme case” and “utterly corrupted” in seeking a venue change to Boise for his upcoming trial.

In a court filing made public Tuesday afternoon, Kohberger’s public defenders argued that their client’s constitutional right to an impartial jury will be infringed upon without moving the trial out of Latah County, where the crime occurred. In their legal brief, which runs 300-plus pages long, they cited as further justification the “extensive publicity that is ongoing and inflammatory,” including the dissemination of inaccurate information in the news and on social media that would also be inadmissible at trial.

Defense for Bryan Kohberger, suspect in Moscow killings, argues for murder trial in Boise - East Idaho News

MOSCOW (Idaho Statesman) — Ahead of a hearing next month, attorneys for Idaho student homicides suspect Bryan Kohberger have labeled his prospects at a fair trial in Moscow both an “extreme case” and “utterly corrupted” in seeking a venue change to Boise for his upcoming trial. In a court filing...

www.eastidahonews.com

Updated at 6:49 pm, July 23, 2024

Kevin Fixler, Idaho Statesman​

 

[Boxer]

Hopefully, there will be more DNA evidence or other proof of BK's presence inside 1122 King Rd. It is unfortunate that we have to wait until the trial to find out if there is or isn't. The small amount of evidence we know about thus far, IMO, is not enough for a conviction.

MOO That is more than enough DNA. No more is needed, the match is there.

 

[girlhasnoname]

What does everyone make of the four of them having different injuries? According to the PCA Xana had wounds caused by an edged weapon, Ethan had sharp-force wounds, and the other two had stab wounds. PCA link

I'm thinking that is all the same general type of injuries made with a Kabar.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Per his nonspecific alibi, what was BK driving around in if his car was driving around the Moscow neighborhood without him?

It's as if, on a night he couldn't sleep and wanted to go for a drive, he had the misfortune to be victim to a figure, matching his general stats, who borrowed his car, his knife, and a whole lot of his useful, advanced intel on criminology. And if not his knife, a fingernail full of his epithelial cells to plant at the scene.

What really unlucky timing for that.

Good that he got his car back.

I should probably wonder about his shoes, too.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

BK's attempt at an alibi is weak, but it's likely the best AT can do. He removed hos phone from his apartment so she can't put him to bed. She obviously doesn't have a place where B,K was or even Could Have Been. IMO, that's why she wants, not just the full CAST discovery, but all the data that the CAST analysis drew from.

IMO this is what her hired gun is for, to find the blackholes, the areas where there is no video coverage so she can attempt to layer cellphone coverage atop it in order to locate somewhere, anywhere where she can say BK was.

She's in essence and IMO asking for something that doesn't exist. The absence of data. Just exactly how would the State honor that? Attempt to construct an alibi for her client? Because there WILL be gaps. No cctv coverage, poor cellular coverage, tower roaming, overwritten CCTV, motion triggered CCTV that did or didn't trip. Grainy cctv and no license plate or an unreadable one. Could thst be his car? Could it not be his car? Can you be sure?

The State seems to be accommodating her wherever they can. Like the recent website nonsense -- site archives live DOT images -- but didn't capture anything relevant. Whole lotta nothing.

Did BK's vehicle take that route? Maybe. Unrecorded. But maybe he took another route. The State was careful not to commit because it's not critical to their case, how he hot there, just that he did.

We're seeing what we're seeing because BK didn't leave AT a workable defense.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

BK's attempt at an alibi is weak, but it's likely the best AT can do. He removed hos phone from his apartment so she can't put him to bed. She obviously doesn't have a place where B,K was or even Could Have Been. IMO, that's why she wants, not just the full CAST discovery, but all the data that the CAST analysis drew from.

IMO this is what her hired gun is for, to find the blackholes, the areas where there is no video coverage so she can attempt to layer cellphone coverage atop it in order to locate somewhere, anywhere where she can say BK was.

She's in essence and IMO asking for something that doesn't exist. The absence of data. Just exactly how would the State honor that? Attempt to construct an alibi for her client? Because there WILL be gaps. No cctv coverage, poor cellular coverage, tower roaming, overwritten CCTV, motion triggered CCTV that did or didn't trip. Grainy cctv and no license plate or an unreadable one. Could thst be his car? Could it not be his car? Can you be sure?

The State seems to be accommodating her wherever they can. Like the recent website nonsense -- site archives live DOT images -- but didn't capture anything relevant. Whole lotta nothing.

Did BK's vehicle take that route? Maybe. Unrecorded. But maybe he took another route. The State was careful not to commit because it's not critical to their case, how he hot there, just that he did.

We're seeing what we're seeing because BK didn't leave AT a workable defense.

JMO

IMO I have to disagree. The first thing people would do that know there are 5 other people in the house with them is scream for help. You mention their heightened FLIGHT mode and then think they'd run back to their rooms instead of outside and away from the house? That makes no sense IMO.

MOO It makes perfect sense, ambushes are successful for a reason.
Frequently victims faint, become speechless, run the wrong way until their brain catches up with the reality of the horror of what they are experiencing.

 

[Sleuth2010]

We hope the family, friends, and all those effected by this sick crime... continue to stay strong and reassured that this vicious killer is where he belongs and there he will stay. Forever. Unless put to death.
300 pages because, the location of trial is,
" utterly corrupted," and needs a change of venue, is too much, and poorly worded. imo.
Where-ever, he is tried, they've got him. Chief Fry and all the other AMAZING law enforcement who do this job. Families hang tough for justice. Heartprints. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they do. For decades to come.

imo moo omo

 

[katydid23]

Hopefully, there will be more DNA evidence or other proof of BK's presence inside 1122 King Rd. It is unfortunate that we have to wait until the trial to find out if there is or isn't. The small amount of evidence we know about thus far, IMO, is not enough for a conviction.

His single source male DNA, found on a knife sheath, left underneath the body of one of the victims, goes a long way towards a conviction.

If he had an airtight alibi that proved he was not in the King Rd house during the murders, that could counteract the DNA. But with the other potential corroborating evidence, AND the DNA, he is in big legal trouble. IMO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

IMO I have to disagree. The first thing people would do that know there are 5 other people in the house with them is scream for help. You mention their heightened FLIGHT mode and then think they'd run back to their rooms instead of outside and away from the house? That makes no sense IMO.

IMO I have to fully disagree. Yes. It makes perfect sense. It’s not a movie. It’s real life. Panic freeze frame mode. Life or death. The mind reacts much differently than you suspect. X didn’t run to her bedroom to escape. She ran for multiple reasons. BK was most likely close to or at the bottom of the stairs when they crossed paths. She was ALREADY returning to her bedroom when she shockingly saw him in her peripheral (to the right of her as she was walking towards her bedroom). She also wanted to get back to E Who could assist her (in her minds eye) with the threat. It’s a logical and simple scenario. Nothing complex. She wasn’t thinking of escaping the home at that moment. She may have been the one to utter “someone’s here” because she noticed a man wearing a balaclava inside the home. She proceeded to return to her room as planned. She never expected the man in the house to grab her and stab her. No one would see that coming on a regular night where no possible threats were noted or expected or imminent. BK ripped a hole through the vortex of their normalcy. All bets are out the window. Unless you are caught in the same exact predicament and have been snared in a similar death trap, you will never fully grasp how quickly things evolve amidst speed and chaos. There is literally no time to talk or scream, there is hardly time to focus and fight. I have been there. Even the girls upstairs in the bed never screamed. They fought too. And so did X. When you are utilizing adrenaline to fight, all other senses go dormant.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

MOO It makes perfect sense, ambushes are successful for a reason.
Frequently victims faint, become speechless, run the wrong way until their brain catches up with the reality of the horror of what they are experiencing.

Precisely my point! Thank you supporting that view and eloquently explaining the premise and nature of the subliminal response which kicks in and takes over. The brain and nervous system are caught wholly off-guard, and react accordingly to the confusing situation and horror. The brain shuts down in this full crisis mode. Things playing it are processed by the brain in slow motion.

Everything slows down. Most people immediately become hyper focused and introspective. Thoughts and actions to the contrary are rapid fire and mainly useless Most similar crimes play out in exactly the same manner. To think someone begins screaming for their lives is highly improbable and illogical. They are simply too busy in the clutch and throes of death — fighting it all the way, to ever stop and begin screaming at the top of their lungs. That only happens in the movies.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

An edged weapon can refer to a knife, or machete, or some type of bladed weapon. This is in contrast to a blunt object, such as a baseball bat.

An edged weapon can cause a stab wound or a slash wound, depending on how the killer used it. A stab or slash IS a sharp force wound. "Sharp force wound" is from a bladed instrument as opposed to blunt force wound such as a baseball bat.

All 4 were killed by stab/slash wounds caused by an edged weapon, IOW a knife.

That’s a beautiful way to put it into layman’s terms Meadow/Muffin. Courtroom perfect, I hope the lawyers use your post when explaining this detail (and they will, repeatedly) to the jury during the early part of the trial.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

All this DNA talk reminded me of how DNA from three other unidentified males was found at the crime scene, including on a glove found outside. Does anyone else remember hearing that? Any guesses at to why those DNA samples weren't tested? The court hearing I believe on 8/18/2023 Anne Taylor asked for the results and Thompson claimed they never did the test so there was nothing to share with her. Seems odd if you ask me? Especially since they said it was male DNA. How would they know it was male DNA if they didn't test the DNA?

I linked an article but if you google it you can easily find what I am talking about.


Bryan Kohberger's defense claims Idaho murders suspect has 'no connection' with victims

The trial attorneys are not sharing all the facts of the trial before it enters a courtroom. They more than likely have tested every bit of DNA satisfactorily during this investigation (of such evidence). If they deem it to be insignificant to the case, then it surely is insignificant. They keep the key details of the case close to the vest - as they should (to maintain the integrity of the facts). They will release it all in due time. In the courtroom seeking justice. Not to the public and court of opinion. This impacts a case outcome, and they do not wish to risk anything with this trial.

Kings road and the home of the murder scene is a known “party house” where a multitude of unknowns visited. There is sure to be such evidence in every corner of the home.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Per his nonspecific alibi, what was BK driving around in if his car was driving around the Moscow neighborhood without him?

It's as if, on a night he couldn't sleep and wanted to go for a drive, he had the misfortune to be victim to a figure, matching his general stats, who borrowed his car, his knife, and a whole lot of his useful, advanced intel on criminology. And if not his knife, a fingernail full of his epithelial cells to plant at the scene.

What really unlucky timing for that.

Good that he got his car back.

I should probably wonder about his shoes, too.

JMO

Exactly. Factor in that there is no such thing as “coincidence” and you can see he was not simply in the wrong place at the wrong time while out in the middle of the early morning - looking at STARS.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Defense wants murder trial in Boise, ID. Full article at link.


MOSCOW (Idaho Statesman) — Ahead of a hearing next month, attorneys for Idaho student homicides suspect Bryan Kohberger have labeled his prospects at a fair trial in Moscow both an “extreme case” and “utterly corrupted” in seeking a venue change to Boise for his upcoming trial.

In a court filing made public Tuesday afternoon, Kohberger’s public defenders argued that their client’s constitutional right to an impartial jury will be infringed upon without moving the trial out of Latah County, where the crime occurred. In their legal brief, which runs 300-plus pages long, they cited as further justification the “extensive publicity that is ongoing and inflammatory,” including the dissemination of inaccurate information in the news and on social media that would also be inadmissible at trial.

Defense for Bryan Kohberger, suspect in Moscow killings, argues for murder trial in Boise - East Idaho News

MOSCOW (Idaho Statesman) — Ahead of a hearing next month, attorneys for Idaho student homicides suspect Bryan Kohberger have labeled his prospects at a fair trial in Moscow both an “extreme case” and “utterly corrupted” in seeking a venue change to Boise for his upcoming trial. In a court filing...

www.eastidahonews.com

Updated at 6:49 pm, July 23, 2024

Kevin Fixler, Idaho Statesman​

They can “want” all they like. I seriously do not see this trial moving anywhere. All these pre-trial moves and theatrics are an attempt by the defense to portray their client as the victim. Poor BK. Out stargazing from the window of his drivers
Seat - in the same precise Vicinity and time four students are brutally murdered. Poor BK won’t ever get justice in the same town where these students were killed. Poor Bk….etc.

I call BS on it - and I hope the request is denied. Even in Boise, it wouldn't make a difference. Most people in the USA are aware of the case. They’d have to move the trial to MARS to obtain what they seek in the change of venue request. Then again, even the hypothetical MARTIANS have heard of this event, and him.

So…yeah. Good luck with that BK and team.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Hopefully, there will be more DNA evidence or other proof of BK's presence inside 1122 King Rd. It is unfortunate that we have to wait until the trial to find out if there is or isn't. The small amount of evidence we know about thus far, IMO, is not enough for a conviction.

100 percent . I’m anxiously awaiting the trial and the release of additional details and critical info from the defense. If they don’t produce more, they face a genuine uphill battle for a conviction. JMOO

 

[Boxer]

100 percent . I’m anxiously awaiting the trial and the release of additional details and critical info from the defense. If they don’t produce more, they face a genuine uphill battle for a conviction. JMOO

I dont agree.
MOO the evidence that has been revealed so far fulfills BARD and more.

 

[dkaras]

Defense wants murder trial in Boise, ID.

RSBM.

Isn't it true that the defense would also need to show that Boise HASN'T been subjected to the same extensive publicity and misinformation?

Also, if the trial were moved, does it mean same judge, same prosecutors, just different jury pool? Or does the judge and/or prosecutor change too?