Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024

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Thank you for the transcript, @Allabouttrial!

I have never seen an episode or clip of Ashley Banfield’s show and I heard Nancy Grace’s voice as I read that transcript. Take that mean whatever you want it to, but this isn’t journalism, IMO. (I’ve also never watched NG’s show and have only seen/heard clips.)
 
I am beating a dead horse, I know. But I will rebut one of your claims…while Sheriff was likely represented by counsel, who would have been representing his office as Sheriff, rather than representing the person, depositions happen in the course of discovery. They may well be fishing! Since the person who is the Sheriff is not personally represented, it is possible that information pertaining to him as a person-not his office-would be personally implicating. I’ll leave it there for now.

I find this case has been an especially challenging one for WSs. I am grateful for all of the discussion and alternative views.

Eta: imo
We have no way of knowing if he was personally represented. Many people have various lines of insurance coverage, to include personal legal representation. ime
 

A sign on the Letcher County Sheriff’s Office building states it is closed until Oct. 1. However, Fields said law enforcement is still answering calls throughout Letcher County. Deputies, KSP troopers and Whitesburg officers are continuing to respond to emergencies and police matters.

“We’re still working 24 hours, and that’s what we’re here to service,” Fields said. “We understand the times are very trying, but we want to let you know that we’re still here, we’re still available and we’re still available to help you.”
 

Stines, who is currently being held in Leslie County, is set to appear virtually for an arraignment hearing 11 a.m. Wednesday in Carter County Circuit Court, Circuit Clerk Larry Thompson told The Courier Journal. Stines faces a first-degree murder charge.

If Stines pleads not guilty Wednesday, Special Judge Rupert Wilhoit would set dates for a jury trial and pretrial hearings.

Kentucky State Police have not publicly identified a motive for the shooting.

Mullins' funeral took place Sunday in Jenkins, about 15 miles northeast from Whitesburg. NBC News reported several other judges spoke at the ceremony, with about 500 people in the crowd.
 
  • Circuit Court Clerk Mike Watts knew both men well
  • Watts: Community is mourning 'both honorable men'


“These are both honorable men. These both are honorable,” Watt emphasized. “They were elected by the good citizens of Letcher County. They both served admirably in their positions.”

“I don’t want to speculate. There’s two families that’s lost loved ones. Our county’s devastated by this loss. We’re (a) strong mountain community,” he added.


I suspect the good town folk are going to find out there was something less than honorable going on.
 
IMO, they didn't know or suspect Stines immediately. They treated this as an active shooter in the area and put schools on lockdown!

The Circuit Court Clerk (Watts) described how Stines re-entering the Courthouse along with first responders was probably not suspicious to any of them until he set his weapon down on the attorney's table inside the Courtroom.

I'm envisioning first responders entering Mullins courtroom to get to the victim inside his chambers when Stines didn't go any further than the State's table located inside the courtroom.

As for evacuating the building when they (first floor personnel) heard shots being fired, this may be protocol for this Court since the County jail is located in the lower level of the Courthouse. MOO

really? Stines was arrested 5 minutes after the shooting but they had time to evacuate the building and put schools on lockdown?
 
really? Stines was arrested 5 minutes after the shooting but they had time to evacuate the building and put schools on lockdown?
Seems to me evacuating the building and locking down the schools went down as previously practiced, a drill long known by staff and court personnel. I'm not familiar with the exact timeline citing an arrest in 5 minute after the shooting. Please link OP's statement posted here as fact. Thanks.
 
Seems to me evacuating the building and locking down the schools went down as previously practiced, a drill long known by staff and court personnel. I'm not familiar with the exact timeline citing an arrest in 5 minute after the shooting. Please link OP's statement posted here as fact. Thanks.


A brief arrest citation from the Thursday shooting lists the murder charge against Stines and gives a short narrative: “Perpetrator used a firearm to shoot ... Letcher County District Judge Kevin Mullins. Judge Mullins succumbed to his injuries after the shooting.”

Mullins was shot at 2:55 p.m. and Stines was arrested five minutes later, the citation said.

There was no other information related to the shooting in the one-page document.
 
It's very shocking when a respected public servant of many years, a family man, married for 20 years, has lunch with his friend only to return to Mullins private quarters (Judges Chambers) and kill him in cold blood. In other words, by all accounts, Stines was all of those things up until that split second on Thursday when he pulled the trigger. We don't know any more than this. I agree that its very sad for the lives lost, their families, and the community left in shock over the actions of somebody they deeply care about. Let's give these people some grace over their choice of words while they process, and reality sets in. JMO
Sure. And by all accounts he was a respected family man and elected official, until that moment. Which is what makes it all so bizarre!
 

9/21/24

Ben Gish, the editor of Mountain Eagle, a local weekly newspaper, told CNN “none of us could imagine anything like this happening in this day and time.”

“I can’t imagine the scar this will leave on our community,” Gish said.

While the shooting sent some residents looking for answers, it prompted some to advocate for more adequate safety protocols at the Letcher County Courthouse, including installing a metal detector and adding security at the entrance.

“The Letcher County Courthouse is one of the last that you can walk into without a metal detector or security at the front door,” said Matt Butler, commonwealth’s attorney for Letcher County, in a video statement Friday. “This is unacceptable in 2024. It was unacceptable when I started in 2007.”
But that doesn’t make sense. LE carry guns inside of courthouses.
 
But that doesn’t make sense. LE carry guns inside of courthouses.

I agree. I think he maybe originally stated the need for better security/metal detectors at the courthouse because at first, I think most people didn't know what had happened other than shots were fired in the courthouse. (And the worry that now they are yet another statistic of being a mass shooting location.) Even if he originally knew the Sheriff was involved, the general thought would probably be that the Sheriff was returning fire during a courthouse shooting. I'm guessing that's where or why those comments were originally made.... Imo & MOO.
 
I agree. I think he maybe originally stated the need for better security/metal detectors at the courthouse because at first, I think most people didn't know what had happened other than shots were fired in the courthouse. (And the worry that now they are yet another statistic of being a mass shooting location.) Even if he originally knew the Sheriff was involved, the general thought would probably be that the Sheriff was returning fire during a courthouse shooting. I'm guessing that's where or why those comments were originally made.... Imo & MOO.
Possibly!
 
I'm surprised there hasn't been more (or maybe even ANY) sleuthing (by WSers or others?) into the personal details of the sheriff. He is the suspect, the person of interest, the perp, the accused, the charged one in this case. I thought that was the criteria needing to be met to give sleuths the greenlight to find out all they can about a person in any case. Maybe I've missed it, but I've read this entire thread, and I haven't seen anything yet. Mainly I thought I would've seen simple things like if he's married, divorced, how many children, if any, ages of children... This info alone could rule out (or leave open the possibility of) certain theories made in other places that haven't been backed up by any reliable sources. Seems like it would be easy enough (and within WS terms) to find this out. He's a public official whose info is often found online in many ways for many reasons, probably publicly-available details out there on him, plus he had his own FB profile that I believe he posted on that could reveal enlightening things.

I don't use FB or IG myself, and I haven't gone looking for info anywhere personally, but it seems like that always happens on WS with many cases. I do use Reddit, and that's where I've seen these unsourced theories about this. But I know Reddit is full of things that aren't true, and nobody cares if they are or not there.

But at WS, people do care about the truth. But we also love to sleuth! One leads to the other, ime.
He's married and has children but won't say more than that to protect their privacy.
Here are my thoughts about the situation concerning the current sheriff of Letcher County.

We know that Stines is still the Sheriff of Letcher County. I'm thinking that he won't resign from that office while he is awaiting trial.

And the Kentucky Governor likely can't declare that office to be vacant until after Stines is convicted.

Now here is the gray area. Suppose that Stines is convicted and he still doesn't resign. And he decides to appeal his conviction.

The question here is that would Stines still be the Sheriff of Letcher County while he is appealing his conviction?

And would this prevent the Kentucky Governor from declaring that office vacant while Stines is pursuing his appeal?

I believe Stines would be the Sheriff of Letcher County until his current term expires.

I don't believe a situation like this has ever occurred before in Kentucky.

There could be the possibility that in the future the state legislature may have to address this situation.
I found a case from 1926 where the Kentucky Supreme Court ruled that a governor does NOT have the power to remove a sheriff.


The General Assembly can remove a sheriff for malfeasance, misfeasance, or willful neglect of duties but he can appeal to the Court of Appeals.


The bottom line is that it would be very difficult to remove him if he fights it. But I suspect he will resign voluntarily.
 
Eeek -- what a stressful way written in the KY Commonwealth to run a County Sheriff's Office!


Take note that Stines was first elected Sheriff during the Nov 2018 election, and was sworn into office in January 2019.

Appending my earlier post about how "State law says an outgoing sheriff must make a settlement — pay off all bills and remit all collected taxes — at the end of his term," which resulted in the outgoing Sheriff Webb terminating three County staff members: Congleton, Sloan, and Engle, effective December 13, 2018, due to year end budget constraints.

When former employee Congleton, who openly and aggressively campaigned for Stines opponents for Sheriff during the May 2018 primary, and November 2018 general election, was not rehired after applying for a Job with the County Sheriff's Office after Stines took office, she filed a civil lawsuit against Stines, Individually, and in his official capacity as Letcher County Sheriff.

The Civil Complaint was filed in US District Court - Eastern District of Kentucky, asserting two constitutional claims under 42 U.S.C. § 1983.

First, Congleton asserted that Sheriff Stines violated her First Amendment rights by failing to hire her as a deputy in retaliation for her political support of Stines' opponents. Second, she asserted a claim under the Fourteenth Amendment.

Congleton did not prevail in her lawsuit. Instead, Stines filed a Motion for Summary Judgement, and the Court granted his Motion on June 11, 2020. The Opinion and Order are linked below.

There are two things I want to share from Congelton's Civil action. First, I finally found a negative post about Stines!

In December 2018, Congleton posted to social media that she did not support Stines in the 2018 election because "he simply does not have the moral compass or training to be a Sheriff." (DE 17-6, post.)

Second, this involves case law to support my opinion that any suit filed against Stines in his official capacity as Letcher County Sheriff is simply another way for a Plaintiff to make a claim against the County without the public recognizing that the Plaintiff is trying to shake-down money from a big tree.

As to the claims against Stines in his official capacity as the Letcher County sheriff, these claims are treated as claims against the county. Official-capacity suits are simply "another way of pleading an action against an entity of which an officer is an agent." Kentucky v. Graham, 473 U.S. 159, 166 (1985).

In her complaint, Congleton does not mention any unconstitutional county custom or policy, which is necessary for municipal liability under § 1983. Monell v. Department of Social Services, 436 U.S. 658, 690-91 (1978); Fox v. Van Oosterum, 176 F.3d 342, 348 (6th Cir. 1999).

Congleton does not address the official-capacity claim at all in her response to Stines' motion for summary judgment. Thus, this claim must be dismissed as a matter of law.


 
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