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Ahh, thank you. I didn't catch that.

Totally scripted. Why did she call CD's phone when she intended to talk to LV? I found that bit a little ... strange. Also, I felt once they started going back and forth on scripture talk, LV was very leading in what happened to JJ. If you listen, she talks about burying, and I don't think...

Thanks for the reply. Psychosis is such a fascinating and poorly understood state that I'm quite surprised more chatter surrounding his state of mind has not been bantered about back and forth.

Following this trial closely from Ontario, Canada. Doesn't seem to be much discussion here -- is this not the discussion forum, or is this trial just not generating the chatter it deserves?

The judgement is just but it still feels overwhelmingly sad overall, for so many obvious reasons I don't need to detail. I hope that this insurmountable sentence leads him to feel even a modicum of the helplessness that his victims and their families felt at his hands. As always, thanks for...

Less chatter here today than I expected, but so happy to share in this moment with you all. I thought of everyone -- faithful WS members, the affected families and friends, lives that've been consumed with this whole ordeal -- as the tweets came in. I wasn't a WS member until Laura's trial...

Im I'm not at liberty to speak too much on the topic -- is the audio for this call public record? I can't speak to what actually happened in this specific situation but I will say that they are mandated to offer and if it is refused they have met their obligation. I can't say more.

Just as an FYI, if someone is reported deceased to an ambulance dispatcher, an offer to initiate chest compressions will be made, however once the party calling refuses, for whatever reason, that civil servant's obligations have been met and they are not to force anyone to do anything. If...

Kinda speaks to how easily he was able to manipulate those in his inner circle, huh?

While I don't disagree, bit of a humble pie moment for him as he's already got 2 life sentences. Sad as it may be for the legacy of WM, I'm satisfied that he fooled no one and if he gets off, its on the technicalities relating to a poorly processed/maintained scene and not by his own wits. I'm...

If they put forth a defence, they close first.

He is a very effective lawyer. I'm still holding out for the Crown's rebuttal. Fingers crossed.

Didn't she testify he left a CC behind too, though?

Is this usual or unusual behavior by the judge? Again, in reading the Avery transcripts this weekend the opposing counsel would object during closing and the judge ruled or commented on that, but never once interjected his own opinion/objection/dare I say ... bias? I understand that was a...

Wasn't that a different trial in which she testified to that ... or was it brought up here, too?

I spent a lot of time this rainy weekend reading trial transcripts from the Steven Avery case, particularly their closing arguments. Do we, in Canada, have these transcripts made available to us for cases such as these?

No, my apologies. I misread. <modsnip: Discussing moderation is not allowed on the thread.>

Yes, the language is changing to support reducing the stigma around MH / survivor pain.

Interesting read. What is your take on DM's DNA being pretty well undeniably on the gun -- will RP explain that away in closing?

BBM I think that is an incorrect recollection of events. I don't believe DM provided suicide as the cause. It was only after the gun was found that it was suggested. Remember, when EMS arrived no mechanism was found, nor was the eye wound. I think the correct narrative is that, while he found...