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  1. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    Thank you, SHINED RABBIT. I can't help but to believe this is an important piece of the puzzle. Does anyone have any knowledge of OPD ever pursuing this lead? I wonder if it was even checked out. I think that sometimes we assume that because ABI and FBI were involved, that all leads should...
  2. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    I have heard it was #2- but JB and not Tracie. (and I am not sure the source was correct). But supposedly JB told a girl (a friend) this at the Headland gas station. I think I heard the girl's name, but I don't really remember. (Thanks to LR1 for reminding me about JB's conversation with the...
  3. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    That is a good question, Aegis. Rex Tipton, the first detective in charge of the case at OPD, said several times in comments on the FB page that there things that only the killer(s) and police know, so we know the police are holding at least some information back from the public. Maybe Jacqui...
  4. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    That makes sense. Any idea who might have given the girls the directions?
  5. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    I don't think that was in any of the MSM reports, but it came from Jacqui Burgoon in her video, whom I believe without hesitation. I have recently been reminded that JB told this to a female friend (I'm not sure of her name) at the Headland gas station. My opinion, for what it is worth, is...
  6. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    I guess my point is this: If this was a planned murder, the murderer would want to get (presumably JB) to an isolated spot. Bookie said the directions were written on a white napkin, and he was specific about that (people don't photocopy onto napkins so we can assume the directions were hand...
  7. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    You said the map was handdrawn, out of curiosity, did it look like a photocopy or a real hand drawn map? Bookie said the girls’ directions were written on a white napkin, so that would make them one of a kind, right? Most parties I attended back then had photocopied directions, and they were...
  8. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    I had a thought. In Bookie's video, he said the girls had been given a map to the Haleburg party, but they couldn't find it. While they were looking, they ran into the shirtless stalkers. Bookie says they gave him the map, and he couldn't find it either. I wonder if that map still exists...
  9. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    If any sleuths on this page are interested in Kem's case, listen to the the Unfound Podcast entitled, "Where the Secrets Lead." Shined Rabbit, if I were a filmmaker, I would check that one out! There is a very strong suspect who needs a big helping of justice!
  10. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    "The information Spivey chose to make public was strange- and not reliable." One thing that I have learned from sleuthing, sometimes that more agencies that are involved, the muddier the waters get. In the Kemberly Ramer (Opp, AL) case, the main suspect (guilty as hell!) was the one who...
  11. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    Shined Rabbit, I'm sure you have seen the picture of the white truck sitting at the pump at the gas station. It was there when the girls were there and pulled out right before the girls left. LE said that no one pumped gas or exited the truck. A few years later, Spivey said the truck was a...
  12. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    CuriousD, there was a "journalist" (I use that term very loosely) who published someone's theory as if it were fact in a blog. He hijacked the theory from a former police officer who claims to have done his own investigation. The "journalist" had been arrested for pot and had an axe to grind...
  13. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    The reason I think the two shirtless guys following them is probably true, and relevant, is that JB's sister Jacqui said it in a video that she released. Jacqui thought they told it to Bookie, but Bookie (Allen Forrest who released his own video) didn't remember the incident. Jacqui, if you...
  14. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    In her video, Jacqui talked about 2 guys without shirts who followed and frightened J.B. earlier that night. Shined Rabbit, did you come across that information in your research and interviews as well? That is quite a coincidence if it is a coincidence, in my opinion.
  15. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    Thank you. It is nice to have that confirmed.
  16. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    I have a question for SHINED RABBIT or anyone else who cares to comment. Was there any kind of custody hearing (or other legal hearings) scheduled for the days or weeks after the murder? I know it has been said before, but I don't know if it is true.
  17. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    In my unsolicited opinion, SHINED RABBIT, I am glad you are posting on the board. You have had access to family members and people connected with the case in a way that no one else here has. I, for one, can’t wait to see your film. Thank you for putting your own time and money on the line to...
  18. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    Also, I've never heard the name Mike Roscum in connection with this case, though a quick search shows he was a police officer in Midland City (and probably in Ozark at one time). So...where are you getting this information? It is not from any mainstream media sources... I'm not doubting you, I...
  19. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    Thin Blue Line, Speaking just for myself, I do not want this thread shut down. (That happened to the last thread after an argument started.) In my humble opinion, if you keep putting things out there with no context, it is going to upset people, including the relatives of the girls, and we...
  20. Bulldog23

    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #3

    TBL, Jacqui Burgoon said it the Mazda was released to the insurance company not long after the murders. She said the police said they had everything they needed and released the car.

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