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TBH, there's a possibility that bits and pieces of the autopsy report may get leaked before they're officially released to the general public. Distraught family members can sometimes have a difficult time not telling friends and others. Family members have already released some info that hasn't...

That's exactly what I'm thinking.

IMO, I don't think TA was the one swinging the hammer - because of their beliefs. That would have been "man's work" and something done by the "head of the household" and the male spiritual leader. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the three men took care of the dirty work while Tifany and Cora...

Something tells me there's much more to this story than an angry grandma and two murders.

At the moment, that's how I'm leaning - very eager participant, but not the ringleader.

I'm going to go way off the deep end here... Several times, I've watched that interview with the rancher who has known Cole Twombly nearly all his life. His description of Cole is revealing - if true - and I don't know why he'd lie about it. So- Cole Twombly had a smile/smirk on his face walking...

If the group of misfits would have actually gone through with their first attempt - with the anvil through the windshield plan - Veronica and Jillian would probably still be alive today. The anvil, at most, would have just hit the front of Veronica's car and she'd be alive to give a description...

I hadn't even considered that, but it sure makes me wonder after seeing that interview. It kind of makes more sense. We keep wondering how she got all these people to participate. Maybe a nice chunk of change helped nudge them into the full participation mode.

Yes, we know the outcome - murder- but VB and JK didn't immediately know that's what was coming. Is it possible VB and JK thought it was Tifany and friends staging a weird intervention or come to Jesus meeting and at first were more angry and confused about this detour and meet-up than they were...

Grice: "I'm sorry for your loss." That burns the **** out of me.

Maybe JK did pull her gun, but when push came to shove, couldn't bring herself to shoot another human being and they quickly overtook her and grabbed the gun from her hands. I've also wondered if she even had the gun with her at all. It's possible she had a magazine in her purse but left her gun...

One thing we definitely know that went as planned - and that was the plan to actually kill them and not just threaten them - and we know that because of the large grave dug beforehand on Beasley's land. IMO, that shows 100% premeditated murder - not just a threatening/scaring meet-up that went...

I've been wondering about the broken window scenario, too. They would have had to completely block her in, front and back, to keep her from speeding off. I'm trying to think of how in the world they could get her into that position. Whatever they did, it had to be super fast and didn't give the...

I don't agree with that. The abuser was a teen. In their minds, they probably thought if VB wouldn't protect her kids from a teenager, then she wouldn't protect them from anyone. In their minds, VB was the one allowing the abuse, so she had to go, and problem solved. IMO Again - not condoning...

Thank you so much. I just did a search, and it looks like bodies are usually released within 48 hours after the start of the autopsy, even if cause and manner are still pending. I had a young cousin who was murdered in 1995 whose body was found days later (still unsolved - I started a thread on...

Since nothing is mentioned about a burial or funeral - only a book signing service and a Celebration of Life service, does that indicate the bodies haven't been released to the families yet? I'm just wondering how long the ME keeps bodies for these investigations? (apologies if this comes across...

Have the bodies been released to the families even though the ME hasn't publicly released cause and manner? Is it possible the cause and manner won't be released until the trials start?

Was "pools of blood" ever confirmed? We heard that very early on from "unnamed sources" and people picked up on it and ran with it, but was it confirmed? That's a heck of a lot of blood, which would lead me to believe knives were used. I can see some blood outside the car, if they were...

This is interesting. Simulation theory does not align with traditional Christianity. Well, neither does murder, but... If this is true, it's very interesting that Tifany (and maybe the rest of the group?) are into a simulation worldview. Are there hints of simulation theory in that manifesto?

I can't stop thinking about that. I keep wondering why one person didn't come to his/her senses and think, "What am I doing??? This needs to stop!"