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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    I think he may attempt to appeal on the basis that his legal representation (himself) was so poor. I wouldn’t put anything past him.
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    The point is that the request for Archbold was all part of MG’s disruptive act in court; there is a lot of reporting about this. The judge, who is highly experienced and the current editor of that text, was very well-placed to know whether what MG was asking for was reasonable, or yet more...
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    I agree with you. And it’s also perhaps worth noting that the current editor of Archbold is… you guessed it… His Honour Judge Mark Lucraft KC. The judge will certainly have understood the request from MG.
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    The BBC says CM was “persuaded” to return from Ireland rather than forced. Court papers reveal Constance Marten and Mark Gordon’s failures as parents It is possible to enforce UK orders in the Irish courts, including family court judgements. It is more complicated since Brexit, but can be done...
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    Not definitive evidence either, again the subjective opinion of a lawyer, who is not a mental health professional. A lawyer recommending that their client see a psychiatrist may be protecting the client’s interests and/or discharging their duty to the court, but they might be wrong or reacting...
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    Not the OP, but I think it’s also subjective to think this was a mental health issue or a delusion, as opposed to simply two selfish people who couldn’t care less about their kids. We often look for bigger answers but some people just don’t care for their children the way they should, or are...
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    I’m not convinced that CM “lost her mind.” I have no idea what she was like before she met MG, but quite honestly she could just be a deeply unpleasant person and/or someone who makes extremely poor and selfish choices. Plenty of wealthy and privileged people fall in that bracket and, as...
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    IMO, Constance decided that Mark, and what Mark wanted, was paramount. Some of what was going on in her mind was no doubt down to coercive control, but all the same, Constance repeatedly chose Mark over her own children. It was open to her to leave him and, quite possibly, had she elected to...
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    GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, GUILTY on all counts incl retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #9

    Thank goodness for that. Obviously guilty all along and wasting everyone’s time, dragging it out through trial. I’d post the words I have in mind for these “parents”, but I’d rather avoid a ban so simply to say, IMO an entirely correct and foreseeable verdict, and RIP Victoria. I hope and pray...
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    UK - Critical incident in Hainault. 5 people stabbed. 36 year old man arrested

    I think the Attorney General will make a referral for this being unduly lenient, and in my opinion it was. Multiple victims, the murder victim under 18, the sword was ordered previously and therefore attack was premeditated, attacks on emergency services and a failure to plead guilty to murder...
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    UK - Critical incident in Hainault. 5 people stabbed. 36 year old man arrested

    The mental health issues are likely self-induced from drug abuse IMO, and this should be a whole life sentence. I am not confident that in 38 years’ time we will have a parole board that would keep this guy in, they are usually minded to recommend release once the minimum term is served, as...
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    UK - Jennifer Abbott, 69, murdered in Camden for Diamond Rolex, 13 June 2025

    As I posted above, and not to be unkind (I don’t have much of a career myself these days if I ever did), I don’t believe the “Hollywood career” story. I’m sure Jennifer / Sarah lived in LA for a time, got herself some invites to parties and met some celebrities (hence the photos)...
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    UK - Jennifer Abbott, 69, murdered in Camden for Diamond Rolex, 13 June 2025

    Massive speculation here: It is of course just about biologically possible, but I wonder if they are half- (same father), step- or foster or adopted sisters. I personally strongly doubt that they will turn out to be full blood sisters. They are also age wise from the era where illegitimate...
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    UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

    Well, plenty of killers wait two years. It’s more common as far as I know, than a spree like Steve Wright for there to be a gap of months or years. Satisfaction is achieved and the urge abates for a while. I don’t know those cases well enough but from the little I know, the killers seem to have...
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    UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

    Yes, I’m always in a way shocked by how many murders are seeming one-offs, more people are capable of this type of crime than I might like to think sometimes. I try not to avoid attributing every murder in a particular area to e.g. Steve Wright or or Levi Bellfield or Christopher Halliwell but...
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    UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

    The police have a DNA sample for Janet’s murder I believe but haven’t said if they have one for Carolanne. They haven’t formally been linked by DNA. I am interested in that detail. But the distance between the killings, the fact it was only a couple of years, women of a similar age killed by...
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    UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

    I see where PB was coming from, but I think the killer was watching on the day / evening itself and saw for himself Roxanne leave. The Carolanne Jackson murder so close and so similar, is not a coincidence for me. The killer has some kind of rage, sexually-motivated in nature but not something...
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    UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

    I saw this case on one of the old Crimewatch episodes that people had (to my mind, very helpfully) uploaded to YouTube in recent years. I am glad to see this case is being publicised again and I really hope it’s finally solved. I am just an amateur sleuther. But it’s my personal opinion this...
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    UK - Elijah & Marley Thomas Murdered by Their Mother - Dagenham

    Kara Alexander received a life sentence with a minimum term of 21 years today. Kara Alexander jailed for life for drowning sons in London I am looking out for the sentencing remarks to understand what to me is a fairly short minimum term for killing two children.
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    UK - two women stabbed in Bournemouth. 34 year old dead, 38 year old seriously injured. 20YO arrested. 24 Apr 2024

    Although it’s welcome to see that minimum sentences for this type of murder are much higher than in the 1980s or 1990s or even 2000s, it is long past time for sentencing reform so that the sadistic; planned murders of one adult (as well as children or multiple adults) can more easily attract a...

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