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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Asked like that it is a rhetorical question. English translation: "You should be ashamed of yourself."
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Volksblad, 9 August, 2014. My translation, tried to keep as close to the original as I can: Pretoria. - With his performance in the dock, Oscar Pistorius became the author of his own downfall. This is the opinion of four legal minds consulted by Volksblad. All of them predict that...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    BBM: Oh, yes. I met her too. Class of '95. :) I think you've hit the nail on the head. There's been some discussion in local media about how a judge usually reveals her/his hand by the questions asked in final arguments. Most agree that Judge Masipa has been hard to read from start to finish.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Oh, it's not just you. When Roux talked about the photo of the extension cord, Kenny Oldwage's head was bobbing from Roux to Nel. My guess is that Roux and Oldwadge and the Family thought that the photo was their ace in the hole. Hence the grinning the day before. When Nel got up afterwards...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    This is my opinion. Judge Masipa kept a poker face most of the time. She asked both Nel and Roux not to repeat the written arguments and to keep it as short as possible. Nel: She asked what he meant by saying that Reeva was dressed. Nel explained that he meant her pants were not down to use...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Dr Stipp's the biggest threat to the defence's case. He was a credible and reliable witness. He acted like a hero on the night. And his testimony destroys Roux's timeline construct. So it's logical that Roux would try to attack him. But the way Roux did it was offensive. To put it mildly. All...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Excellent summary. Thank you. I'm trying to read the defence's HoA but I keep waking up with the keyboard stuck to my forehead and dried drool on my chin. TMI, I know.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/oscar-pistorius-version-shooting-called-lie/story?id=23286292 http://www.citypress.co.za/news/sahrc-complaint-nel-infringed-oscars-rights-calling-liar/ https://twitter.com/SapaNews/status/454551940631113728 Thank you, you are very kind. I remember this...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Thank you for doing this and sharing it with us. It could not have been an easy job. Thank you again.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    I'm not sure if this is the legal reason, but if I call you a liar, I attack your character. If I say that you are lying, I attack the factual content of your statement. AFAIK Nel said Oscar was lying many times during the case. These were allowed by the judge. But the one time Nel called Oscar...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Just snorted half a big mac and a strawberry milkshake. At the risk of sounding like a fangirl...I have to tell you how much I enjoy your mind and your sense of humour.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    And why would there be such a big difference between "somebody/intruders" and RS? I mean: both are human beings. Good question. I think the original question in the diagram is wrong. According to the State's Head of Argument, if the judge finds that Oscar believed he was shooting at an...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    Interesting remarks from Channel 199, Legal Round Table, 8 August 2014: * In SA law there is no such thing as a reasonable disabled man. * SA case law says that the judge will have to look at the big picture, or mosaic, created by all the evidence before her. * SA case law says that a...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    SA Channel 199's Afternoon Show with Bongani Bingwa, 8 August 2014: Barry Roux "put it" to witnesses that he will call experts to testify that a) Oscar screams like a woman, b) cricket bat on Meranti wood sounds like gunshots, c) the police tampered, contaminated and disturbed the scene. The...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    BBM In her statement Mrs Burger said she heard "angs-gille" which Roux translated as "anxious screams." That's a deliberate mistranslation. "Angs-gille" can only mean "terrified screams," never "anxious screams." Nel called Roux on his deliberate mistranslations saying that Roux is not...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    From the State's HoA: Oscar testified that before he fired at the door he screamed like he's never screamed before in his life, but after the gunshots he didn't scream; he just hit the door with the bat and cried. Oscar: Screams. (Gun) Shots before 3:12. No screams. (Bat) Shots @3:17. Crying...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    PPD stands for Putative Private Defense.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

    I think her name is Suzette Naude.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #48

    It must have been awful. I'm sorry that this happened to you, jay-jay.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #48

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26417240 Apologies. I should have said the upper part of the panel and the bottom part of the panel, not the top- and bottom panels. The bat broke a hole in the door above the handle. Vermeulen testified that Oscar was probably on his stumps when...

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