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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    When I read the police report, for some reason I got the impression that she had been suspected by the women of taking things from others (maybe her siblings). Then it turned out she had a penny on her (which she said she had found on the ground), and they figured it meant she had been stealing...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Who was it who said that no one minded that she sawed them off because everyone liked them? What is our source for that story? I'm just wondering if it's Jen. Is it psychopath or sociopath who has no empathy? And I think the other has no conscience?
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Thanks for sharing your experience. Mine is limited: two cousins and two friends' sons with it. One is so heavily medicated he's basically non-functional, one is in and out of jail and hallucinates but not dangerous, two are adopted (different families in different states) but show signs of...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    That really was an outstandingly well-written and informative article. What do you make of this? My thoughts range from "I really, really have no idea" to "the kids really had serious problems that no one knew about and we don't want to say it if they're still alive." I was glad the article...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    After reading this article, I can't help but think how externally similar I am to Jen. My Lord. 6 children, trumpet player, love to travel the country with the kids seeing national parks and historic sites, love music, love taking beautiful photographs of the children, hippie type...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    I never saw Sarah's salary before; thanks! That's quite a bit higher than I was guessing.
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Oh, wow, yes, this is very true and a very interesting consideration. Most people who have interaction with CPS and even lose their kids do *not* get charged with a crime. It's part of how it can be really bad if you're falsely accused, because you only get all the constitutional protections...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    I have no idea what happened, naturally, but just thought I'd throw out there that it's quite possible to travel with gas cans and not have them fill the car with noxious fumes. I've done it. Again throwing personal experience into the mix of speculation: I have 6 children, and have had a...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    This is interesting to me, since I just read a study published in the New York Times that showed that, when raised in wealthy households, black boys will stay wealthy far less often than white boys, even though black girls will stay wealthy just as often as white girls...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    My heart leaped in my chest! I don't really have hope, but I'm praying they're alive out there somewhere! When I see it, it says comments are disabled for this video. ETA nm, I see you have to click around to find the thanksgiving one. Oh my. What a comment!
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Yes, I brought it up a day or so ago. The flyer looks official, but the only place I've seen it was on the Kristin Rawls Twitter account. I don't know if these are official flyers or not. The only reason I give it credence is that it jives with the DeKalbs saying that Hannah looked 7 (but was...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Amen to that! There is, IMO, definitely truth to the idea that white families get leeway that (especially poor) black families (especially headed by single women) don't get. There is another major factor, too, and that is that CPS is *not* consistent across the country, state, or even a...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Something I'm wondering that directly bears on this question: Did anyone see them in person after fall 2016? None of their festival friends, no one (to my knowledge). They heard from Jen briefly on FB in summer 2017 only for her to blame the world and wallow in self-pity, then there was the...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    Usually you at least get a bunch of family members, at least the parents, saying, "s/he was such a good kid; s/he would never do something like this," or "yeah, we were scared of how s/he acted..." It didn't come through with the 'reply with quote' feature, but the quote from her about how...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    That may well be the case in my state, too. If I were a judge (and I'm a CPS-is-the-last-resort kind of girl), and I heard the stories that the neighbors told on Dr. Oz from November and March, and that CPS had already been by twice, seen cars coming and going, but got no answer at the door, I...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    And homeschoolers. And interracial families. And same-sex couples. And large families. And hippies. And ... We could do a better job of remembering that there are bad apples in every bunch, and a story like this is unusual because it's so very unusual. There are millions of adoptive families...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    I just watched the neighbors on Dr. Oz. Oh, so heartbreaking! My question now: Does Washington state not allow CPS to get a warrant to enter a house? She said that CPS can't enter without permission there. I know in my state, CPS can go to a judge and get a warrant to enter a house. Anyone...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    <modsnip> YES, internet haters are so vocal despite their relative rarity that I believe everyone who says they've gotten "hate mail" or "death threats," whether they're liberal or conservative, religious or atheist, vegan or paleo, whatever. B/c haters are everywhere. The decent haters just...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    I already said that the "give you something to cry about" response is not mutually exclusive with these things. That's because in reality, living with a child day after day, year after year, after giving the kind teaching response 47,000 times and before giving it another 47,000 times...
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    A few days ago, someone here said that BAC does not deteriorate post-mortem. I think that person may have been in the mortuary business, but I can't remember, so don't take my word for this. I think, from your quote, that being in the water can *reduce* BAC due to dilution and microbial...

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