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    VA VA - David Metzler, 19, & Heidi Childs, 18, fatally shot, Montgomery Co, 26 Aug 2009

    Don't let this one mislead you. It was shot in panorama mode. When viewed as a whole, it appears Craigs Creek Road has a curve. That's just distortion/illusion.
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    VA VA - David Metzler, 19, & Heidi Childs, 18, fatally shot, Montgomery Co, 26 Aug 2009

    Here's a view from deep in the parking lot looking toward the road. The road runs left to right. Note there's also a gravel road straight across from the parking lot entrance. Google maps shows it goes way back on the mountain but dead ends. Here's the view as you drive from 460 down...
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    VA VA - David Metzler, 19, & Heidi Childs, 18, fatally shot, Montgomery Co, 26 Aug 2009

    Here's a photo from an early news story. I believe you can tell it was a gravel road at the time. I may be wrong but I believe that is the victims' car just behind the sign. David had a 1992 dark blue Toyota Camry. Here's a photo of a 1992 Camry for comparison: If so, it's very close...
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    VA VA - David Metzler, 19, & Heidi Childs, 18, fatally shot, Montgomery Co, 26 Aug 2009

    I went there several years ago and am certain the road did turn to gravel before reaching Caldwell Fields. I visited again last Friday (September 24, 2021) and it's now paved. My odometer showed it's about 9 miles from Route 460 to Caldwell Fields, if I remember correctly. We did pass more...
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    Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #4

    He had to buy gas here and there. If he used a debit/credit card, they should know a bit about where and when. So many convenience marts have cameras now that could possibly show who was in the van.
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    Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #4

    Here's an article on the "zone of death" and legal loopholes. Fact check: Yellowstone's 'death zone' may not be free from conviction
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    Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #4

    I've seen mentions of him being older on here but I read they attended high school together. Bayport-Blue Point High School in Bayport, NY. Fiancé Is a 'Person of Interest' within the Disappearance of Gabrielle Petito - LIGHTLYNEWS.COM
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    Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #3

    There's a lot to look back through in this thread! What's the link to the full police video?
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    At the body disposal site, as I mentioned earlier, there were two driveways. One was of the family that found the remains. The other was directly across the road. It did lead to a house based on old aerial photos, but from Grogan Road it may not have been obvious and might have looked like a...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    An aerial photo from 2006 of the bridge area. Bridge circled in red. Look around and you'll see several houses. Were they visible at night?
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    I also took some video but I doubt I can upload it. This forum doesn't even like photos that are very large. From my impressions. It seems unlikely the killer parked on the far side of the highway. The Short house was closer to the road than I expected. Standing in the yard, traffic feels...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    If the dog had drug up some remains to the driveway, I wonder if the body landed in the water or not. Perhaps it actually landed on the shore. In the dark, it certainly wouldn't be easy to see the water. As I recall, at least one story mentions a search was done on the original suspect very...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    Here's a photo driving from the previously mentioned intersection to the bridge. Here's a photo looking down the driveway of the neighboring house. The buidling closest to the center is a barn, I guess. The house is toward the left side and a bit hidden by trees.
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    The following two photos were taken while I stood in the same spot. The intersection is marked with a red arrow. The memorial bridge sign is at the left. The bridge is behind me. Standing in the exact same spot, I turned and took a photo of the bridge: As you can see, it's not very...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    We also went to the bridge where Jennifer's remains were found. Google says it's about a forty minute drive and I guess that's about right. News stories said 30 miles but it certainly seems longer. Oddly, there are places along the way that the killer could have turned off of Route 220 that...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    And here's the 2002 aerial photo with a possible route (in red) for Jennifer to visit the store. The store's lot appears to be freshly paved all the way to the cabins and rooms. Anybody staying there could easily have seen Jennifer coming and going.
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    Here are aerial photos from 2002. The overall area. Short house marked with red arrow. Convenience mart and cabins marked with blue arrow. The Short house. Note it looks easy to walk between the trees to go behind the neighboring business. I'd tend to wonder if Jennifer would have taken...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    About 400 feet south of the Short house was a convenience mart. I assume this is where Jennifer was recorded on video earlier the day of the murders. It's on the same side of the highway as their house. Here it is: Also bordering this same parking area are some old cabins and a longer...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    We went back later and these two photos are about 8:23 PM (evening time). Not fully dark, actually. The first, I have the headlights on so you can see a bit. The second, just the park lights, I think. So, that gives you a feel for what it looks like from the end of the guardrail looking...
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    VA VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002

    Here's the view from the bottom of the main driveway entrance looking across the highway. That's a very steep mound and you can't even see the far lanes.

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