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Some tips have fees. Others don't. It depends on the local Councils.

Ive been away travelling in the mountains. As I have always said, I was viewing this case purely on the laws of our land. No preconceived ideas nor any emotional personal issues. The jury has done their job.

You knew her intimately??? In a private and personal manner 😂 or in a knowledgeably way?

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Respectfully, she does not have to prove her innocence. The prosecution has to prove she intentionally used DC to kill. Is she saying she did it unknowingly? Maybe she didn't mean for them to die? Only meant to make them sick. To me, that would be manslaughter. Wonder what legal grounds the...

You have no proof of that. Kids see things.

I get what you are saying. However if she is found not guilty, the case should be closed. The law states she is presumed innocent. That means she should not be persued as guilty. It's the reverse of the Murdock case. He was declared guilty of killing Peter Falconio, but the pub test has him not...

And notes are sent to the judge to help clarify a point in law.

<modsnip> Judge Beale set the times and days the jury could deliberate in his directions to the jury. Hence these are now court days. He said the jury could deliberate all of Saturday if they want. Nothing about 1.15 cut off time on Saturday. Anyway, not an issue now. Hope the jury have lots of...

Yes, 18 is the legal age. But at 16 kids get a say in these situations. He can't be forced to live with his dad if he does not want to. So many 16 yo's living on the streets because of this type of situation.

And at 16, the son would be old enough to have input into the decision. It has been quoted here that he didn't like to spend much time with his father.

Thanks SA. I love your research. Always enlightening.

I agree. Maybe early on and not too far from where he allegedly murdered the girls. Without his medications, I don't believe he would have been able to prepare his survival and escape.

I have been one of 3 in the minority on a jury once. We ended up with the other 9 on our side. Luckily there were several charges, some we agreed guilty, some not. So it didn't matter much.

Luckily I have never found that. It's not about pressuring anyone. If the law is followed to a T, it takes away any personal beliefs. Did the prosecution proved beyond reasonable doubt. Take into account what the judge tells you. S/he knows the law and advises you. We asked the judge once to...

However the judge has not yet put this on the table, nor has he even mentioned it. So at this stage, manslaughter is not an issue.

The judge did say the jury could deliberate until 4.15pm today if they wanted to. So he is setting the court hours

However the judge set the hours for the jury to deliberate in this case. The parties involved are given a certain amount of time to arrive back in court. The bailiff has to near the jury all the time they are deliberating. So we may hear something this afternoon.

As I posted earlier, the Judge still might say they can consider manslaughter if a verdict isn't reached. Also he may persue perjury for all the lies. Victoria has maximum of 15 years for lying. It's not over until it's over.