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The reason no one can make sense of all the threads in this case is that we are trying to attribute "normal" reactions and actions to JR and PR. Abusers are different that you and I; Their actions are reprehensible and foreign to us.

The note, the note! First and foremost. Try to go back and read it as though you had never read it before! Even if it weren't Patsy's handwriting, it is so obviously a deranged cover-up.

I'm on the side that believes JB was being sexually abused before the time of her death. Either JR, but could have also been Patsy. I felt sorry for Patsy, I got serious crazy vibes off of her.

As a newcomer to the JB forum, I've been reading through threads about all the evidence and non-evidence, and am interested in the different theories proposed by the awesome sleuth-posters here. That ransom note is the biggest hooey I've ever read. I believe Patsy wrote it because I think John...

Poor little sweet hand. It looks like my 5 year old granddaughter's hand.

They are the same. My opinion, which I am entitled to.

I apologize, I'm new to this discussion as well. I've been reading like mad trying to catch up. Can anyone direct me to a discussion about the speculated motive of the Ramseys killing JB?

Don't worry about Tony L. He'll recoup with a book or movie rights to his life.

I've been a nurse for 30 years and I've never been drug-tested. I think they should do random drug testing though. They're probably afraid they won't have enough people left to fill out the schedule!

I hated to read this. We had a mom leave her 2 year old in her car last year, and go on in to work at Lowes all day. The baby died too. I am just so haunted by the idea of the baby crying for her mommy to come get her. She had parked her car at the far end of the parking lot, where no other...

I wouldn't be surprised if that is a big part of motive. It's almost understandable, in a very sick sort of way.

Just a note about the medication issue; I'm an RN for 30 years, all hospital work, and over the past few years medication control has increased dramatically. I don't know where Cindy works, but I really doubt she could have gotten enough meds to "treat" Cayce. And I don't think she would have...

One can be unsavory and abused. But being unsavory doesn't justify someone abusing you.

But don't some people who are depressed manifest it in a manic-type behavior? It's like they're always on the go (texting, partying), so they can escape their thoughts or mood or whatever. Don't get me wrong; I don't want her to get off- I just can't believe she's going with the Nanny defense!

I'm thinking Cayce could have gotten away with pleading post-partum depression in light of the testimony that she wanted to go to an institution and get some help after Caylee was born. Post-partum depression has gotten so much press time in the last few years, it would probably have worked...

I'm confused. Is the evidence we've seen suggesting there could have been more than one heart sticker placed on the body? And just one was recovered, after having been out in the weather and under water all that time?

I can't believe I never heard about that autopsy report.

It's great news for the case if there are fingerprints on the tape, but I didn't need to hear it to be 100% convinced she did it. The delay in reporting and the outrageous lies had convinced me from the get-go.

I just can not, can not, can not believe that George is inserting himself in this situation. I also can't believe the Anthonys and their attorney can't understand how bad this makes them look. It is just one unbelievable thing after another.