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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    On the contrary, a sociopath will do or say anything they think will get them what they want. There's no guarantee they'll be smart enough to make an accurate guess, though. I think she thought she could get off completely by turning her boyfriend in and playing the victim card.
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    Please tell me the judge is not agreeing to release this horrible woman. Please. She deserves to be in jail even if it's miserable. She had no problem locking up innocents, and she's surely getting much better treatment in jail than what she dished out.
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    I had a friend long ago who was in the "scene." He was extremely messed up in a lot of ways, tbh I don't think that was coincidental in his case. Very sad story, his life. But he was "submissive" and talked about it WAY more than I wanted to know, and yes, it's roleplay, essentially. He had his...
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    It reminds me of the old Yiddish joke about the definition of chutzpah: the man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy before the judge seeing as how he's an orphan.
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    When I was pregnant the last time I had to have a scary, somewhat complicated procedure done and they needed me awake but completely relaxed, so the doc gave me Versed. He said "you won't remember anything about the procedure and even if it gets complicated you won't be scared." He was right...
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    They don't name sexual assault victims, if the names of his kids are publicly known the press may be cautious about saying outright that they were the victims, even if they were. I saw a case where you could infer that the perps' kids were the victims a while ago, but the press never came out...
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

    Interesting that in the PA case the perp dressed up as a Muslim woman to take the girl from school. Was the child actually Muslim, then? If so that would be another odd common factor between the cases--targeting children from faiths with strict modesty rules.
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #1

    I totally believe they were up to their ears involved in that kind of activity and would not be surprised if we eventually find out they have a slew of other "contacts" from that "scene" to boot. But I don't think that she's a slave as in, someone held against her will who could not escape. Not...
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    GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #1

    Is it just me or are the cops being way more forthcoming than usual about things like "this definitely saved other kids from abuse" and "they had plans to do this again"? They must have found something truly disturbing and beyond any question incriminating in the home, imho.
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    Yes! I was going to say, we have to be cautious about taking ANYTHING this man said at face value, unless it's somehow backed up by evidence or other sources. He's a pathological, habitual liar from the sounds of it. He makes it up on the fly, and engages in a lot of "pity poor me" stuff (like...
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    Yeah the facial structure, especially nose, is completely different. Plus AH was married in 2010 or 11, right? So her name would have been changed by this past August, certainly. When we upgraded to the iPhone 4 this year, we kept the old 3Gs for photos, music, and apps for the kids to use...
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    Well it was an iphone. Mine is first a text-sending and weather-checking machine, and secondly...a camera. It is full to the brim with photos of my kids and family and pretty sunsets and weird bugs and so forth. I am guessing CH's phone probably was full of photos of his beautiful new bride. :\...
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    I am getting really upset to see anyone still insinuating anything negative about CH. :(
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    What do you think the "sound department" stuff is about? (From the pdf, page 6).
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    I got the creeps when I went to street view because it reminded me of the street view near the crime scene at Roslyn lake...thick trees on one side of the road, and a big empty field on the other.
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    The sodomy charge was with regard to the oral rape, afaik. So sad to talk about.
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    I am pretty sure that poor soul was found to have been killed by Mark Beebout, a transient and registered sex offender who also killed a volunteer from the church where he sometimes took shelter this summer. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/transient_sex_offender_mark_be.html
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    One source said Washington Park (which for non-locals, is where our Zoo is and other family activities, but also a lot of sketchy activity back in the wooded areas at times--think somewhat like Central Park in NYC) and the other said a park in WA. I am not sure which was accurate. And neither is...
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    GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #4

    I would not be surprised if he had a serious and escalating problem with pornography. In fact I would be shocked if he did not, given what else we know about him. I would also not be surprised at all if he was abusive and manipulative with his wife.

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