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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    I completely sympathize with that and I'm sorry you all have had to go through that. I think what I'm getting at is the law allows for it, how it works in reality can be entirely different. Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    This website disagrees. http://www.camh.ca/en/hospital/visiting_camh/rights_and_policies/Pages/Understanding-your-rights.aspx Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    We do have the power here to involuntarily commit to hospital or force treatment. There's of course rules and criteria and whatnot that must be followed but yes, we can force it here. I also believe it's provincial based so rules can vary...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    6.6 kms as per my mapping system measuring tool lol So I guess it depends on your definition of close. I'm thinking not close as neighborly since that's a bit far for that yet is only a short drive. Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    Those 2 properties are not close. Yes both east ish of airdrie but one is north and one is south. Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    I also want to post that we'll likely see more things you may deem to be suspect from the judge as he gives the jury instructions. Based on the attached images our judicial system allows our judges a lot more leeway than other countries when in comes to addressing the jury. Man I'm getting...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    I was just trying to find a link that discussed it in some way. I originally was going to post that the judge in the tori Stafford case told jurors similar things but of course that's not on record anywhere as that one was under a publication ban. I knew just spouting something like that would...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    A little snippet from the page: "The various aspects of the debriefing consisted of introductions, an explanation of the purpose of the debriefing session, a cautionary note pertaining to non-disclosure of jury discussions, and information about post-trial trauma, signs and symptoms, and...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    I did a ton of reading tonight on judge ethics when it comes to empathy and compassion towards the jury. From what I gather it's essentially psychologically debriefing them about their rights to help and the resources available. Completely fine to do and encouraged especially in longer more...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

    IMO the fact that the ME could not conclude that they died in the house speaks louder than the fact that she could not conclude that they didn't.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #25

    Oh and since I can't edit without deleting I believe they said that lock can be drilled in 3-5 minutes.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #25

    I think drilling the lock rendered it useless. Surely they'd notice a lock on their house that wasn't actually locking if this had been done in advance. Depending of course how often they used that door.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #25

    He doesn't keep the notes though, he hands them off to his lawyer periodically. I mean his lawyer could easily hand them back after but there's gotta be a reason he's doing that. I also wondered if he was detailing what WASN'T found as things that were found are displayed. As a hurrah but...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #25

    People also plead not guilty even when guilty in an attempt to get a lesser sentence. Pleading guilty gets them the automatic highest sentence possible. Now someone can correct me if I'm wrong here but I think our life sentence is now always an automatic 25 years but it's the parole...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #24

    I 100% agree with you and even said so that day. It's all a damn game.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #24

    For the person wondering if DG looks around when he walks in, no he did not on the day I was there. He walks in all meek and poor postured in his blue prison garb and goes directly to his chair. His chair is like 4 steps from the door he enters from. He stood when he had to (for judge and jury...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #24

    I'm not sure legally what all I can share? Very diverse group age wise and appearance wise. 2 of them made eye contact with me more than a handful of times but the rest didn't pay attention to the crowd at all. They take notes, Mark pages with flags, follow along attentively. Everything I...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #24

    Crown put up on display multiple pages from the books and asked the jury to read them. So I guess I'm surprised too after reading them over the choice of pages displayed. There would have been better pages to display but they obviously have their reasoning. Defense also tried to say the 1 book...

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