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    CA CA - Harlan 'Tod' Sutherland, 24, Westport, 1 Aug 1987

    I was a fellow geology student with Tod at the University of Texas when he was killed in 1987. His was a wonderful person and a dedicated student, and his murder had a staggering effect on the student and faculty communities at both Austin and UC Berkeley, wherehe was a undergraduate. His...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #2

    John Gosch's father evidently didn't believe it for a second either, based on press accounts released in 1999.
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    Everything alleged on this thread COULD INDEED BE HAPPENING, and should be taken seriously - anyone who says otherwise is not being truly open minded. But to me, taking things seriously means expecting to be fairly and rigorously challenged - I think we all agree the truth should be able to...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    We all got a textbook lesson last month from John Mark Karr on how even a pathetic wannabe liar can both: 1) effortlessly manipulate the media on these high-profile cases, and 2) get legions of instant defenders who desperately want to believe their stories, no matter how contradictory they are.
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    This whole business somewhat reminds me of New Orleans DA Jim Garrison's 1969 prosecution of businessman Clay Shaw for involvement in the JFK Assassination - Kevin Costner played Garrison in the "JFK" film. The case was a ridiculous farce, and fell apart pretty quickly after the trial started...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    You're absolutely right RH, and I didn't mean to suggest her motives are other than totally sincere - I share your respect for her, and her unfathomable suffering. I'm not inclined to be as understanding of her "associates", who seem to be behind this. But it's clear we can call into serious...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    Does that also imply that there is good reason to suspect the "anonymous photos in the envelope" claim, which really gave this a sensational spin for the media to pick up?
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    Her initial statements to the police and media are unequivocal that the photos were anonymously left at her doorstep in an envelope. It's clear that there are extremely suspicious aspects to how this story got going, and so far they do not cast Noreen or her "associates" in a particularly good...
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    New evidence 24 years later in a child's disappearance

    I seriously doubt that these photos depict true abducted children, especially the color one of the three boys. And none of them resembles Johnny Gosch, who was just shy of thirteen when he was abducted. It is almost certain that fellow believers in the conspiracy-satanic cult-pedophile theory...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    I'll welcome any and all evidence for the the allegations of massive, sinister child abduction cults, and I'll continue to give it respectful and open consideration. It remains on the table as one of a number of working hypotheses. But I'll also continue to apply the same fundamental critical...
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    IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

    The original tragedy of this case has been infinitely compounded - and indeed tainted - by its transformation into an obsession of the satanic child abduction cult believers, who have a 25-plus year track record of warping reality to fit their beyond-the-pale clinical paranoia. I am...

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