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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeby View Post Hey sublimemumma... Not sure I understand your post... Mine did not mention drag marks or blood ...I was posting about the condition of the hose. The hose appear to indicate that something was cleaned... Whatever that something was, we are not sure but...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    Otto, you are a good egg. I love how you have earnestly tried to find a tribute that we can all agree upon. So lovely to come upon these posts.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    I agree with Otto. He did it because he could. He did because he is a narcissist and vengeful. And, he thought he could get away with it. I think he likely burned some evidence, but not the HR. And I don't think he used any chemicals on them. Sadly, he dumped them somewhere he thought they...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    I suspect you are correct. Lab results on samples taken from the home probably became available and removed the "glimmer of hope". Actually I meant the Liknes home but you are referring to the Garland home.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    Chief Hanson said that as long as there was a "glimmer of hope" they wanted to proceed as a missing persons case, just as we would want them to do if our own family members were missing. But then, in consultation with Crown on Sunday they were satisfied they had evidence that it was a homicide...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    I don't know. I imagine that they would have looked through the ashes and recovered anything suspicious. Whether you can get DNA evidence is another question. Again, I don't know but it seems that in house fires they are able to positively identify HR so perhaps they can. If it can be done, it...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    Even in crematoriums where temperatures exceed 1100 degrees celsius HR is not totally destroyed. So, I figure if he tried to burn this kind of evidence, he would have found himself unable to completely destroy it.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    I am no expert, but what I understand from the K9 thread is that if she and her handler are trained to do it, then they can.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    Things got a little...graphic...yesterday, regarding under what conditions/circumstances could she detect HR. For example, if the HR was burned, and so and so forth.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

    FWIW, yesterday we had quite a discussion going regarding what cadaver dogs (or HRD dogs) can and cannot do. I have read the forum on SAR and K9. The forum is not specifically about HRD dogs but what I learned from reading the posts there, is that a dog can do whatever the dog and the handler is...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

    I would think that to lay the charges, and lay the toughest to prove charges, LE has more to go on than the fact that no one was providing food and water during DG's incarceration. I think, and I may be wrong, that they have crime scene data that has taken time to analyze in a lab that indicates...
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

    I don't think NO ever left the home. Or, at least there is no evidence of that or there likely would have been a kidnapping charge or a murder 1 charge with regard to him.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

    So nothing really interesting, just an artifact of aerial photography and a working crop farm.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

    So nothing really interesting, just an artifact of aerial photography and a working crop farm.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

    I thought this was a really interesting post. I don't know rural life and I am not particularly spatial, but I would like to hear thoughts about this post.
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    Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

    Be fore warned, yukky details in this post... It seems that cadaver dogs are only trained to seek out decaying human flesh. Apparently, they can even detect scent that has dropped off a person carrying the remains. I don't know specifically about scenting in a mixture of fecal matter and...

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