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I lost my older daughter for about five minutes when she was 4ish- she snuck out to see the neighbor's English Mastiff- and that was my exact reaction. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Yeah, killing someone with choloroform isn't heinous in and of itself :( I mean, compared with other causes of death. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

So does anyone know if, in an investigation like this, does law enforcement always take any...adult paraphernalia let's call it, or do they have to have a reason to connect it to the crime for it to be collected? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Very true. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

That would certainly be a logical move on his part. Who knows though, he may actually think he can get away with it. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

There's a lot of things on that list that are creepy given the context! I have to say, though, that PS 2's are quite old and could be had quite cheap...Just ran a quick eBay search. They are $45-190 depending on condition, etc. So not weird IMO. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I'm wondering if he lied about the nature of his involvement for some reason and his was never there. It doesn't make sense, but none of this makes sense. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I have not heard that anywhere but I haven't bought out new info on it for a while. I did not know that more than one person's DAN was found, I just remember reading that KP's was not. My guess is that KP was involved whether or not his dna was there. Are you able to share where you read...

Also, if she was in an area where 911 calls could get routed wrong, or if it was a rural enough area that the 911 system isn't reliable, she may have thought ahead and programmed a better number into her cell phone. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

While I have never personally heard of 'the triad' being anything other than the Chinese mafia, it really doesn't make any sense to me that some random tweaker (probably) from North Carolina has ties to them.

It really wouldn't make sense for it to be connected.

The Chinese mafia.

GracieLee, IIRC her mom had given Shaylyn's dad custody so she could go to school or something as opposed to a judge insisting on it. That's just me going off memory though.

Yep. I am wondering if they collected samples from everyone they knew to be at the Ammeeman house that night and none of them matched, or if they for some reason couldn't compel them to cooperate.

Any idea when his next court day is???

I have to agree. Neither of my daughters have *that* suit, but I love 2 piece suits for girls...So much easier for emergency bathroom runs! Also, id let both of mine wear dark green nail polish if they were so inclined. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a pedophile who either did or planned...

Leg injuries are preferable to spine injuries!

This case and Cooper are about the only cases that I feel warrant serious charges.

I agree. Jail sentences might (probably would) keep lazy jerks from leaving their kids in the car intentionally to go to a bar or something equally intentional and frivolous, but it won't stop true forgetfulness.

I'm still not convinced that a cartel would keep the little kids alive-that's what makes me think it was a local or semi local competitor or a local that got burned by the family.