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    Trial Discussion Thread #51 - 14.11.9, Day 41 ~announcement of the verdict~

    I am actually a forensic engineer and was in the SA Police for about 10 years (left them in 1999). But have been involved in the investigation of many culpable homicides, murders, industrial incidents, etc... I also started to study law, but stopped when my company (which I started when I...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #51 - 14.11.9, Day 41 ~announcement of the verdict~

    Ugh.... 1. While evaluating dolus eventualis, the accused did not foresee the possibility of the death of the person behind the door... 2. While evaluating negligence (culpable homicide), the accused did foresee the possibility of the death of the person behind the door... WTF! She...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #51 - 14.11.9, Day 41 ~announcement of the verdict~

    "How could the accused have reasonably foreseen the shot he fired would have killed the deceased? Clearly he did not subjectively foresee this, that he would have killed the person behind the door, let alone the deceased," says Judge Masipa. Completely incorrect test for dolus eventualis. Dolus...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #47 - 14.07.8, Day 38

    Just to check in quickly. I did not disappear, but is quite busy with quite a few different things, including work and sport (as a coach), so I have very little time to post. I was reading the forum, basically every court day, just to catch up on parts of the trial that I missed. Just to give...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #37 - 14.05.12 Day 30

    My version... An industrial psychologist is basically a psychologist used in the corporate environment to assess and in some cases be involved with the therapy of employees. They can also assess general working conditions of employees and may make recommendations to improve working conditions...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    The tests are useless! I was amazed that they even thought of presenting it in that way. Then... the admission by Dixon that the sound from the bat was amplified. (Despite that, when you listen to the sound clip, the of the bat is still softer than the sounds from the gunshots.) That is why Nel...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    I'd love to get started on the problems experienced here in terms of crime scene management, but I would probably end up writing a book. Even in this very special case, where everybody involved knew it was going to turn into a media circus, they still would have been faced with the practical...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    1) If some aspects are not fully relevant, it is better to not go into too much detail. I also believe that the state cannot prove a link between all of these aspects, beyond reasonable doubt. 2) Roux himself was unclear on many aspects, as I believe the defence waited for the full state...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    If you were wondering if I'm another poster. No, I'm not. (But I also know that my denial will make some even more suspicious. Standard Forum Protocol/Paranoia) I've been reading here since about day 18 of the trial or so, but someone wondered about the background of Nel / Wolmarans yesterday...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    Ah, the luxury of the internet cross-examination... I'm not sure of the exact height of the bruise, but on my version the bullet (core) would have ricocheted while she was still in the standing position. If you take into account the approximate angles in question it would strike her back...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    Personally (again!) I believe this to be either shot three or four, while falling and arms probably swinging uncontrolled at the time.
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    Sadly, I'm not too up to date on the sentencing. I am more involved in the merits part (guilty / not guilty) in most of the trials. My personal opinion however and this really just an opinion, is that based on the special circumstances with Oscar, even on the charges itself, he might get off...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    Luckily not a Lions supporter. More of a rugby in general supporter (fanatic). I watch every game I can!
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    The time line is important in terms of the screams yes, but more specifically, the defence wants it to be in a single rapid burst to show it was more of a panic... With Mangena we had Bang...BangBangBang, with Wollie and defence BangBangBangBang. Neither of these explain the differences in...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    Wow! I'm being kept busy while also trying to watch some superrugby... As I am obviously not involved with the trial I am quite free to answer. I personally believe there is something more to this. Including a fight. There were four shots fired at a specific area in the door. Not just...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    I haven't worked with him, but it is possible that he might have cross-examined me at some point in the past, or it is just something about him that irritates me... I definitely don't think you are alone...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    1) I think Nel accepts what the state was able to prove, but like me I think he believes there is even more that can not be proved. He would however accept a large section of Oscar's version, as it would already indicate murder. The purposeful aiming at the door, with another person behind the...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    In terms of Wollie. I also know him quite well... Also had a few beers with him over the years... hehehe... He was one of the best in his field, but I think age and and a soft heart got to him here... In terms of the correct approach for the reports... If he submitted any interim or final...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    Thanks! I've actually worked with both Barry and Gerrie on various different matters and was impressed by both. Gerrie: Was the first prosecutor I worked with that prepared PROPERLY. In one case I investigated, he flew down to Cape Town to observe the investigation process, which meant...
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    Trial Discussion Thread #36 - 14.05.09 Day 29

    My first post here... And sorry for just jumping in like this, but this is just to answer a few questions about some questions asked in an earlier post... Wollie left the SAPS in about 1992, which was at about the same time, I started in the SAPS Engineering unit (1992-1999). I worked quite a...

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