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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    First pair of underwear made me lol [emoji23] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    I will never understand how they got away with telling different version of events in the separate trials and still conclude they did it, can't have it both ways. And then neither case presented by the prosecutor tied back to the crime scene so it's like a Double whammy. That's what gives me the...
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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    From memory it was 36m. More reason to frame SA then for him to kill. Pretty sure if he was clever enough to come up with a murder that has enough people convinced he's innocent then I'm sure he would have waited to collect his money then if he fancied it, killed her. The way the evidence was...
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    For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

    Hi Saul. Welcome ✋️great first post, and i mostly agree, except not convinced it's SA at all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    I genuinely believe that those same people could bare witness to the crime happening and insist it was the innocent party [emoji23] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly think he did the first crime? You simply cannot have it both ways, i.e. DNA supporting cases , alibis confessions in some cases and not others. Yes there's a risk cross contamination when any DNA gets handled, but when you have a confession, and alibi...
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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    Less about the potential set up and more about the fact they just didn't question enough potential suspects, which I truly believe set off a series of events. I'm no detective but surely If you are start off on the wrong foot you are going to get yourself in a tricky situation and you end up in...
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    Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

    We'll see if it's a hoax won't we. To me there is little/no evidence to suggest he did it, regardless of whether he was the last one to see her Alive. Pretty sure the last person will hide away until caught and yep not convinced it was SA. I've read enough articles to suggest there are plenty of...
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    For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

    So I've been lurking on this particular thread for a while, great posts, provided great insight. Whilst I can't say SA definitively 100% didn't do it, I most certainly can say there is no damning evidence to suggest he did do it, or at least evidence that I believe is genuine! And when people...
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    PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #6

    I don't think she's alive either. I just can't see it.
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    PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #6

    People don't just disappear. As an ex smoker, I could do without my phone so much, not my cigarettes though. And leaving without money is odd. If you walk away after that, then to me that seems reasonable, as it's the bare minimal. I think it's odd that no one answered the door. Overnight...
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    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

    How can he not account for three/four hours of his time? Surely if you are out of it you remember up to a certain point and thereonafter the nights a mystery but just three/four hours? To top it off was in a location very close to where the car were found, this is extremely suspicious. Are they...
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    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

    I concur that this was not premeditated in terms of who the victim was. I mean for it to have been premeditated they would have had to have been followed from start to finish, and whilst there was a chance that this could happen, it seems with the change in plans that night very unlikely. The...
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    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

    I do think something went horribly wrong at this point. The sequence in which they left the gas station is very telling too. If I remember correctly the van was there before the girls get there, and leaves immediately after them? I would love to know the explanation as to why it was just parked...
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    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

    The point about getting rid of the car near/on a property does make sense. In my opinion though, why leave the car in the road (as opposed to somewhere hidden) with two dead bodies in the trunk? It's obviously going to be reported at some point. The killer(s) obviously wasn't worried about the...
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    AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

    You get my first post! This case bothers me 16 years on we're no closer to knowing what happened. To answer the above in a round about way. 1, No, maybe he's heard something though. 2,I think so. But I'm more convinced the palm print on the car is. 3, I think the suspects car was parked on...

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